Give it a trackpoint and it's mine!
Or at least make the screen hinges 360 degrees so that it can be easily used with an external keyboard.
Framework Laptop 16 Deep Dive – Enclosure
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
My definition of “high end” in 2023 is a battery that last 14+ hours of general use, doesn’t sound like a 747 when I open two Chrome tabs side by side and won’t fry my nuts when I put it on my lap.
Fullack. Returned my framework laptop because of 3 hours battery life (streaming Netflix, measured multiple times), the 747 sound (customer support told me "works as expected"), and if I want to fry eggs I have other devices for that. I'd say "there's room for improvement".
Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
What's the alternative high quality laptop in that price-range though? A Dell XPS that comes with a lose trackpad, massive coil whine, batteries that drain when plugged in and so on? Or an LG Gram Pro (more expensive than Framework) that isn't sold outside of the US and maybe some Asian countries where the only thing you can upgrade is the SSD? Or maybe some Apple laptop? I personally feel the price of a Framework is…
A Thinkpad T16 is going to be under $1,600.
From [0], the only model under $1600 is bizarrely discounted 45% from $2849, which I assume is a limited-time offer.
The lowest-end model costs $1959, and is pretty meh: 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, crap 720p camera.
The higest-end model is also strangely 45%-off discounted, but runs $3769 regular. If the Framework 16 ends up costing $2500 (or even $3000) for a reasonably-spec'd setup, I think that'd be pretty fair, especially given the configurability and upgradeability. If you don't value those things, then you probably shouldn't be considering Framework in the first place.
[0] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadt/th...
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fullack. Returned my framework laptop because of 3 hours battery life (streaming Netflix, measured multiple times), the 747 sound (customer support told me "works as expected"), and if I want to fry eggs I have other devices for that. I'd say "there's room for improvement".
Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)
I hate to be that guy. But why do you want a laptop for that? While my above list of requirements is basically implying a MacBook, if I wanted a really performant computer with a good GPU either internal or external for a high end use case, I would get a non-Mac desktop.
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#105This case looks great. Love that we have replaceable graphics on this one. I’m most excited for the ortholinear keyboard attachment. That makes it a must-buy for me, since after switching to a Kinesis Advantage I just can’t type on a staggered layout anymore.
Is this real? I've gone without a laptop for 6 months now due to RSI. If this is real, I might actually cry.
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#106I find the battery life on my framework 13 really bad (ubuntu installed). There's some issue where the battery drains fairly quickly in suspend which requires enabling "deep sleep" mode, but it still drains a lot faster than other laptops I've had. And then the battery life in general isn't very good; I'd say ~2 hours at full brightness with some video streaming mixed in with normal browsing. I wonder if that's the s…
I find battery life with linux in general pretty poor. It also struggles achieve any kind of reasonable hibernate/suspend. I can throw my macbook into a bag and pull out a week later with just a small battery draw down. I have never had a linux laptop that would not be completely dead in that scenario.
If you set up hibernate, then it will not drain the battery at all, as hibernate is completely powered off (contents of RAM are written to disk and reloaded on startup).
I agree with you on suspend, though: even with "deep" sleep enabled ("s2idle" is garbage), I still lose about 20% overnight.
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#107Is that really the best phrasing for the title, today? Like, particularly today?
I think it's deliberate.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you name a laptop that meets your expectations and lets me connect an external GPU? (not for gaming)
I hate to be that guy. But why do you want a laptop for that? While my above list of requirements is basically implying a MacBook, if I wanted a really performant computer with a good GPU either internal or external for a high end use case, I would get a non-Mac desktop.
Why own a macbook when you could just have a non-Mac desktop instead?
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#109Is there any possibility of having another style of keyboard?
I'm still looking for a notebook without a chicklet keyboard
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
PCIe is too physically large, Oculink is too thick and doesn't have enough pins for power, and Thunderbolt has protocol overhead and throughput limitations.
Yeah, sorry, no. Thunderbolt does have overhead and limitations, but imo those limitations don't justify making a new standard, even if it's more open than the others. Maybe you could say more about those limitations and convince me?
What obligation do they have to convince you?