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Re: Mental Liquidity

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testacct22 wrote: post #65
saiya-jin wrote: post #53

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> And this is right and good. I disagree (without down-voting). This is basically 1-man echo chamber, you take what you like (it doesn't matter how many eloquent words you use to describe this, result is same), reject what would challenge your beliefs and would make them weaker. That's the opposite of critical thinking so needed in real world, and prime source why the current world, particularly west, is so torn to p…

> reject what would challenge your beliefs and would make them weaker. Most unresolved disagreements I know of are because the groups disagree on some unprovable underlying assumption. Switching positions on it doesn't make the beliefs stronger or weaker Being able to believe something and stick to it, regardless of challenges from competing interests or forms of coercion: that's more valuable in practice than being…

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Re: Mental Liquidity

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testacct22 wrote: post #65
saiya-jin wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And this is right and good. I disagree (without down-voting). This is basically 1-man echo chamber, you take what you like (it doesn't matter how many eloquent words you use to describe this, result is same), reject what would challenge your beliefs and would make them weaker. That's the opposite of critical thinking so needed in real world, and prime source why the current world, particularly west, is so torn to p…

> reject what would challenge your beliefs and would make them weaker. Most unresolved disagreements I know of are because the groups disagree on some unprovable underlying assumption. Switching positions on it doesn't make the beliefs stronger or weaker Being able to believe something and stick to it, regardless of challenges from competing interests or forms of coercion: that's more valuable in practice than being…

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Re: Mental Liquidity

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Post by varelse »

javajosh wrote: post #24

The prerequisite for "mental liquidity" is articulated by Aristotle: "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." If you entertain the thought, this gives you the chance to try out a new belief network. If you find your belief network would be strengthened by its inclusion, then you adopt it. Otherwise, you reject it. In this way, ones interconnected set of beliefs grow…

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Re: Mental Liquidity

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Post by julianeon »

cortesoft wrote: post #91

> It might sound crazy, but I think a good rule of thumb is that your strongest convictions have the highest chance of being wrong or incomplete, if only because they are the hardest beliefs to challenge, update, and abandon when necessary. I strongly disagree with this, unless we are only talking about beliefs that are about facts of the universe. For example, my strongest belief is that all people have an equal rig…

Arguably that's not a belief, not as he's using it. That's an emotional commitment.

Example: I love my wife. This is an emotional commitment. It can't be 'wrong' in a factual sense - that's the wrong rubric for it. So it's not really a belief in that sense either.

A belief should be amenable to facts, evidence, or some sort of feedback. If it isn't it's ultimately not a belief. It's excluded from the kinds of decision-making and reasoning he's describing.

Re: Mental Liquidity

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Post by JakkTrent »

krm01 wrote: post #9

One of the biggest beliefs I keep struggling with is the need to be perfect. I've been jamming away for many many weekends on a side project that literally was done. I just kept adding tiny tweaks left and right, until I literally just now launched it ( https://amee.la ). Nothing ground breaking, and in the end nothing that needed to have so much perfectionism around. The belief of having to need something perfect is…

Haha, what was happening to you the past couple weekends is just part of the whole process - now that you've experienced that, and beyond to releasing your side project, you won't allow yourself to that as easily next time.

I get really OCD at times and to avoid that I started focusing on "most basic functionality" and forced myself to launch when that experience was possible - from there everything I get caught up in is still an improvement.

I've done exactly that tho and I well overcooked a project holding it back til I had it just right.

Hopefully you didn't hate the experience and your better for it.

I liked the idea of the site immediately - logos can really suck and this site is perfect when a logo doesn't really matter enough to spend time on.

I'm sure your very limited in scope by trademarks and copyrights but a little more variety would be great. Colors would be awesome - choosing 2-3 would be better, that's with everything the same.

More background images or use my own option. Seriously tho - not a bad start at all. Fantastic side project.

I had no issues with the UI and was plugging away almost immediately.

I'll check it out again for sure.

Re: Mental Liquidity

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Post by JakkTrent »

ianbutler wrote: post #66
krm01 wrote: post #9

One of the biggest beliefs I keep struggling with is the need to be perfect. I've been jamming away for many many weekends on a side project that literally was done. I just kept adding tiny tweaks left and right, until I literally just now launched it ( https://amee.la ). Nothing ground breaking, and in the end nothing that needed to have so much perfectionism around. The belief of having to need something perfect is…

I like this, quick suggestion, I'd add an ability to take one of the generated logos and refine from that same logo.

This is a great suggestion

Re: Mental Liquidity

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Post by JakkTrent »

haswell wrote: post #22
ben_vueJS wrote: post #17

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This has been a mental barrier for me as well. I’m not sure if it’s in the realm of belief or rather fear of failure. Personally more inclined to say it’s the latter.

I’d argue that the fear of failure still boils down to underlying beliefs about: - What it actually means to fail - That failure is inherently bad - What will happen next after failure occurs - What it says about me when fail - What others will think about me when I fail - That I can’t recover from failure etc. If you grow up hearing that failure is bad/wrong/implies something about you as a person, it might never oc…

Fail fast. You'll learn real quick from failure - often far more than from success, at least in my experience.

It sucks, but creatively speaking, I think it's better to knock out a few failures early than to enjoy success for awhile and fail later.

Re: Mental Liquidity

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Post by JakkTrent »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #89
ABCLAW wrote: post #78

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There's a common issue in philosophy and epistemology over how we come to know things. We wanted to know what 'knowledge' was, and settled upon the concept of a 'justified true belief' for a fairly long period of time. However, one day, a philosopher found a situation in which a justified true belief was incorrect. This is the Gettier problem. What you describe is something akin to a network of baysian conditionals a…

The Gettier problem is overrated. The question is "what is knowledge?", not "do we know that we know p ?". And I see no issue with the definition of knowledge as justified, true belief. Now, if I believe p , and you ask me whether I know p , I may say yes. But whether I actually know p will depend on whether my justification is valid (that it really is a justification and a sufficient one) and whether it is true , wh…

This issue is fairly significant for me.

I approach it with words using the idea that everyone has the foreknowledge of the Merriam Webster dictionary definition of the words they choose to say in conversation... and something often taken for granted when it shouldn't be.

I know what I mean when I'm explaining things - the definition of the word in context, with some Grammer etc.

What is being interpreted tho? What thoughts come to your mind when I type "Planet Earth" and you read it? Whenever I see the words Planet Earth I recall a memory of an HD DVD BBC Documentary titled "Planet Earth" sitting on the lowest shelf on the endcap display at my local Best Buy - I noticed that many years ago and I've told a few people that, so now it's likely my forever. Lowkey nostalgic almost.

Say I'm having a conversation with a friend that shows a headline about "Planet Earth Be Doomed" how could they ever anticipate my nostalgic correlation with that headline? Am I actually listening if I finish an entire conversation while reliving a childhood trip to best buy?

This only seems like a tangent - knowledge and truth are exactly the same.

I know what I know. I know what I expect you to know. I know what I'm trying to convey and so I use words I know the definition of and feel appropriate in the moment, sometimes I even try my best.

I never know how someone will react/respond/understand.

Re: Mental Liquidity

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Post by JakkTrent »

neerajsi wrote: post #83
ABCLAW wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a common issue in philosophy and epistemology over how we come to know things. We wanted to know what 'knowledge' was, and settled upon the concept of a 'justified true belief' for a fairly long period of time. However, one day, a philosopher found a situation in which a justified true belief was incorrect. This is the Gettier problem. What you describe is something akin to a network of baysian conditionals a…

Thanks for your point about death. Death forces our species wide belief set to go through the constrained channel of education and communication, the same way that our bodily attributes go through the constrained channel of our germ-line genes. This process lossily compresses the signals, which allows for drift or attenuation when the next generation reconstructs the beliefs and associated behaviors. Transmission als…

Pfft, death isn't necessary to evolution in the sense your implying.

Transmission of ideas and wealth - even societal restructuring doesn't require all the old people to first die.

Adapt or die. We cease to adapt and so we die. We're we as a species to overcome death individually, we would still collectively be bound by the same mantra.

Not that our evolution would stop - rather I think the opposite.

Assuming cellular commission is similar to a 30 year old and as healthy/mentally capable as a 30 something; so truly overcoming those obstacles - a 300 year old version of me would be better than the me now.

Taxi drivers brain composition changed by driving around London - I'll bet an extra 200 years will do something.

As long as our populace remain "Mentally Liquid" we will be fine - something 300 years of seeing and living constant changes should all but guarantee. Can't be yelling at the kids on the lawn for 200 years right?

I think elongation human life will be necessary in the not so distant future and I expect it to happen.

Re: Mental Liquidity

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Post by hgsgm »

deepzn wrote: post #18
krm01 wrote: post #9

One of the biggest beliefs I keep struggling with is the need to be perfect. I've been jamming away for many many weekends on a side project that literally was done. I just kept adding tiny tweaks left and right, until I literally just now launched it ( https://amee.la ). Nothing ground breaking, and in the end nothing that needed to have so much perfectionism around. The belief of having to need something perfect is…

Reminds of reading what Reid hoffman said... https://twitter.com/reidhoffman/status/847142924240379904?la...

"Don't post blind links to slow loading websites" --Reid Hoffman
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