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Re: NYC Subwaysheds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also very across the harbor between Staten Island and Manhattan. Any bridge or tunnel would be multiple times longer than any other bridge or tunnel in the area (and correspondingly expensive).

The original plans were for a tunnel between SI and Brooklyn. Still probably the most realistic of any plan though it does lose the benefits of a direct connection to Manhattan.

We should be asking “why not both?” but unfortunately NY construction costs are inflated so ridiculously we can’t even afford one let alone get politicians with a strong enough backbone to support these common sense projects that would alleviate strain on NYC housing stock.

Re: NYC Subwaysheds

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I have a somewhat different concern, exposed by the map and how far some places are from being well served. The map itself is great. Will the NYC subway system ever evolve further? My mind is on Tokyo a lot lately, because of some recent visits, and also probably related I get served up a bunch of Youtube videos about how the Tokyo metro has evolved over time. The subway system in Tokyo improved over decades by forci…

No one likes the current design of subway systems. Therefore it won't see any expansions. The new expansions currently in play are real deep and real expensive. Again no one likes this new design either. No one likes the system of elevated rails. No one likes the bussing system.

What do people like? The expanding ferry line. The trolley on 3rd Ave Brooklyn. The air train. Cheaper fares.

Until there is some new tech that can get people excited about public transportation again, we won't be seeing any new investments.

Re: NYC Subwaysheds

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post #2

Nice first pass, but its clearly calculating these as the pigeon flies and not taking the various stitched together street grids into account. You should get diamond and square shapes, not circles, for the most part. I'm working on a redesigned subway map / nomenclature an indicators of walking time to nearest stations is a subtle feature I want to build in. Something between a watershed like this and a vornoi diagra…

I did this exact thing in 1st year geography. Gotta use the network analysis tool, not spatial analysis. Distance along road segments, not the Euclidean distance tool.

You can take a shortcut, because NYC is several large grids stitched together. If your isochron line doesn't cross a border between two grids its just a diamond instead of a circle. If it does cross the border between two grids, then you just have to figure out where along the border the "diamond" of one grid system meets the tilted diamond of the other. But you don't need a general purpose road network analysis tool to do it. It may even be tractable analytically.

Re: NYC Subwaysheds

#105
post #2

Nice first pass, but its clearly calculating these as the pigeon flies and not taking the various stitched together street grids into account. You should get diamond and square shapes, not circles, for the most part. I'm working on a redesigned subway map / nomenclature an indicators of walking time to nearest stations is a subtle feature I want to build in. Something between a watershed like this and a vornoi diagra…

No, it is clearly not as the pigeon flies. That is incorrect. When I click on my local subway stop it seems entirely accurate, and the stations don't form any kind of circle at all. In fact I can't find any subway stop origin that seems to form anything even close to a circle. Also, according to the "about" it's calculating from actual subway schedules. And it has nothing to do with street grids. It's subway trips, n…

Other people already corrected you, but I feel like being obtuse so here it goes. The circle goes from Jamaica, along Queens Blvd, down 8th Ave to W 4th St, along the F line to Jay St, down Fulton St to Broadway Junction, past Cypress hills on the Nassau line (J/Z), and finally returns to Jamaica. This loop is possible without adding any additional tracks or switches to the system. Thats how the pigeon flies. Checkmate.

Re: NYC Subwaysheds

#106

I have a somewhat different concern, exposed by the map and how far some places are from being well served. The map itself is great. Will the NYC subway system ever evolve further? My mind is on Tokyo a lot lately, because of some recent visits, and also probably related I get served up a bunch of Youtube videos about how the Tokyo metro has evolved over time. The subway system in Tokyo improved over decades by forci…

No one likes the current design of subway systems. Therefore it won't see any expansions. The new expansions currently in play are real deep and real expensive. Again no one likes this new design either. No one likes the system of elevated rails. No one likes the bussing system. What do people like? The expanding ferry line. The trolley on 3rd Ave Brooklyn. The air train. Cheaper fares. Until there is some new tech t…

Do people actually like the air train? I've never heard anyone say they'd prefer it over a subway that actually went to JFK. (and the increased cost/inability to use OMNY is ridiculous)

Re: NYC Subwaysheds

#107
post #22

I'm not from NYC, so maybe this is obvious, but why can you not get from Staten Island to Manhattan in 40mins? Is there really not bridge/tunnel that can get you there?

It's far too long for a bridge, which would also then cut the harbor in half anyway.

The longest bridges in the world are over 100km in length, why would this be too long?

Bridges can also be tall, if the concern is cutting boat traffic.

Re: NYC Subwaysheds

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one likes the current design of subway systems. Therefore it won't see any expansions. The new expansions currently in play are real deep and real expensive. Again no one likes this new design either. No one likes the system of elevated rails. No one likes the bussing system. What do people like? The expanding ferry line. The trolley on 3rd Ave Brooklyn. The air train. Cheaper fares. Until there is some new tech t…

Do people actually like the air train? I've never heard anyone say they'd prefer it over a subway that actually went to JFK. (and the increased cost/inability to use OMNY is ridiculous)

I find it very silly that tourists need to buy a MetroCard just for the transfer from the AirTrain to the metro, and then never need it again afterwards because of OMNY.

Re: NYC Subwaysheds

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did this exact thing in 1st year geography. Gotta use the network analysis tool, not spatial analysis. Distance along road segments, not the Euclidean distance tool.

You can take a shortcut, because NYC is several large grids stitched together. If your isochron line doesn't cross a border between two grids its just a diamond instead of a circle. If it does cross the border between two grids, then you just have to figure out where along the border the "diamond" of one grid system meets the tilted diamond of the other. But you don't need a general purpose road network analysis tool…

That’s pretty clever.

Re: NYC Subwaysheds

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one likes the current design of subway systems. Therefore it won't see any expansions. The new expansions currently in play are real deep and real expensive. Again no one likes this new design either. No one likes the system of elevated rails. No one likes the bussing system. What do people like? The expanding ferry line. The trolley on 3rd Ave Brooklyn. The air train. Cheaper fares. Until there is some new tech t…

Do people actually like the air train? I've never heard anyone say they'd prefer it over a subway that actually went to JFK. (and the increased cost/inability to use OMNY is ridiculous)

Definitely, my wife went to JFK this week and instead of taking the A to Howard Beach she went to Atlantic for the LIRR to Jamaica and AirTram from there.

Faster and nicer.

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