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Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by oh_sigh »

kristiandupont wrote: post #84
unsupp0rted wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

>every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Nobody on Reddit has called me any of those things.

I literally once posted on T_D back in 2016 something to the tune of "hey that's anti semitic and dumb" on a thread that was on the front page.

I guess later that meant that masstagger flagged me as a T_D poster, so about 10% of my future posts were responded to by someone telling me I was a racist piece of shit.

I would also get mod messages once a week from subs I never post in(like 2xc) saying I was banned from their sub for participating in hate subs.

And then later my account was perma banned for no good reason at all, I'm assuming it helped that I was tagged as a T_D poster.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by skizm »

drumhead wrote: post #72

Original Digg was what reddit is now. And Reddit was what Hacker news is now. But luckily I cant see a mass migration here from reddit. I cant even see a reddit replacement. Discord is the platform of choice for discussion these days. Most users will either drift off there or find alternative single issue forums to replace what they were viewing on Reddit. This is one of the places i'll come to but I'll see if I can…

I remember when hacker news would shut down signups during reddit outages to prevent the mass migration lol. Great move IMO. I don't think they do that any more. Probably because reddit doesn't have nearly as much downtime as in the old days.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

DirectorKrennic wrote: post #70
drumhead wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its any view that they dont find acceptable however mild they may be. If you dont fit into their political world view you're likely to be banned. Discussion unless you subscribe the dominant viewpoints is almost impossible on reddit. Say something the majority dont like and you're downvoted into oblivion or banned. Literally the only place left where you can speak your mind without censure is sadly 4chan.

> Say something the majority dont like and you're downvoted into oblivion So? That's how every society works everywhere. Don't disturb the peace. You are an adult. You're entitled to your opinion, but you should have the courage of your convictions. Reddit is no different from other social media platforms in this regard, even HN.

Downvotes are not a productive means of communication. If you have problems with my views be an adult and oppose my views rationally. Otherwise ignore me and move on. Having any form of social credit score that can be abused to silence others is quite literally a pillar of authoritarianism and de-incentivizes the free flow of ideas if they disagree with established groupthink. It doesn’t matter if the majority believes it to be true. At one time the majority believed the Earth to be flat.

Thankfully HN doesn’t fall into this hole as deeply as Reddit, due in part to the steeper requirements to participate in downvoting and simply how varied the opinions are here. Not to mention HN doesn’t have a cabal of “powermods” forcing subreddits to follow their own agenda.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by replygirl »

DirectorKrennic wrote: post #61
unsupp0rted wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

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Some recent things I was downvoted to oblivion on:

- Mentioning buses in a thread about road wear

- Warning people talking about vigilante justice that intentionally tricking/luring someone into committing a crime makes you an accomplice

- Telling fellow trans people they can't equate Jim Crow with gendered bathroom stigma

- Reminding fellow queer people that Anheuser-Busch are just trying to sell more beer

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by afavour »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #97
afavour wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve also been a Redditor for well over a decade. While I miss the days when it was a smaller niche site (before the Digg implosion it was basically a nerdier, smaller Digg) I still use and enjoy the site plenty today. I have never been accused of being a racist transphobe whatever, if that’s your number one issue with the site maybe some inward reflection is in order? Just don’t get involved in political flamewars,…

I got banned from /r/CanadaCoronavirus for saying at the time we didn't yet know how many doses and on what schedule of the vaccine would be needed. Banned. That's anti-vaxx propaganda on my part, evidently. I messaged the mods to explain that I was triple-vaxxed and what I said was not only factually correct, it wasn't even controversial. The mods patiently replied that anti-vaxx trolls like me will be reported to r…

Yeah, that example does sound bad. In the ideal world I’d be curious to hear the mod’s perspective: it’s possible to be perceived as a troll even when you’re stating true facts, depending on context and tone.

That’s kind of what I mean about inward reflection. If you find yourself on the receiving end of modding after stating entirely true and relevant facts… yes, maybe the mods are out of control. But maybe the impression you’re giving off while stating truth still leaves a sour taste. If you find yourself fielding accusations of being antivaxx and being racist and being a transphobe, etc etc, all in different subs with different mods then there’s only a few commonalities left. I’m not saying you did deserve any of this, I don’t have the evidence to, just that it’s something worth pondering.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by replygirl »

DirectorKrennic wrote: post #70
drumhead wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its any view that they dont find acceptable however mild they may be. If you dont fit into their political world view you're likely to be banned. Discussion unless you subscribe the dominant viewpoints is almost impossible on reddit. Say something the majority dont like and you're downvoted into oblivion or banned. Literally the only place left where you can speak your mind without censure is sadly 4chan.

> Say something the majority dont like and you're downvoted into oblivion So? That's how every society works everywhere. Don't disturb the peace. You are an adult. You're entitled to your opinion, but you should have the courage of your convictions. Reddit is no different from other social media platforms in this regard, even HN.

We can take things in stride at the same time as wishing for a more enlightened discourse

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by patwolf »

deergomoo wrote: post #18

Good read. Interesting that the author’s takeaway is that folks consider Digg v4 to be a catastrophic launch because of the myriad technical issues. I don’t even remember there being technical issues, I just remember logging in one day to find a website I enjoyed replaced with a bunch of crap I wasn’t interested in.

I remember a growing frustration before the v4 launch. Early on it seemed to be an aggregator for fun stuff on the internet, but over time it become more and more political. The v4 launch was the last straw that convinced me to switch to Reddit.

Reddit at the time felt lighthearted and fun. I think I read somewhere that a lot of the comments were being written in-house, which makes sense in retrospect. For example, someone would leave a comment like "Is this the real life?", and then the entire lyrics to Bohemian Rhapsody would appear line-by-line as comments without missing a beat. It seems improbable that a bunch of strangers could have done that perfectly.

While there are some parallels between Digg v4 and what's going on with Reddit today, I think predictions of its death are greatly exaggerated. However, I would be happy to see something else take its place.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by dimgl »

nunobrito wrote: post #16

Albeit unpopular opinion, this kind of things is one of the reasons why I'll always push for Java instead of a jigsaw of different languages that sound cool. Stability, scalability and simplicity. Yes, you read correctly. Whomever complains that Java is bloated or complex, needs only to look on who is writing that "piece" of code. Expert developers will write proper code that anyone can maintain and keep simple. Too…

> Stability, scalability and simplicity.

These are not the adjectives I associate with Java...

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by dimgl »

nunobrito wrote: post #80
throw_m239339 wrote: post #52

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Digg didn't fail because it didn't use Java, that's preposterous. Java isn't more scalable, stable or simple than any other solution, that's Java consultancy bullshit.

Java is just about the only sane language that one should use for complex projects. All phones since the last 30 years (including the famous Nokias) shipped with Java and apps that simply worked. Android is constructed on top of Java. What I build today with pure Java will run in 100 years from today without needing changes. Quite a different scenario for whatever other language that breaks stuff every couple of vers…

> Java is just about the only sane language that one should use for complex projects.

Another pretty extreme view... there are plenty languages that can be used for complex projects.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by whyenot »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #51
deergomoo wrote: post #18

Good read. Interesting that the author’s takeaway is that folks consider Digg v4 to be a catastrophic launch because of the myriad technical issues. I don’t even remember there being technical issues, I just remember logging in one day to find a website I enjoyed replaced with a bunch of crap I wasn’t interested in.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

I’ve been using Reddit for 14+ years and while the site has changed, mostly for the worse, in the past few years.

“It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy.”

Moderators (excepting automod) are human, and like all of us they sometimes make mistakes, some may have biases or having a bad day. I have not seen what you are describing.

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