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CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

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Post by the_optimist »

Larrikin wrote: post #69
bluepizza wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is 1945, before the decades long alliance and best friendship between US and Japan, before Internet, computers, and most electronics. Americans can't even read the signposts in the streets, let alone find and interpret the results of extremely secret operations.

Are you implying that in 1945 there were no people who spoke Japanese and English and Japan itself didn't have decades of emmigration to all parts of the world? The US committed one of its greatest crimes against humanity during the war against the huge number of Japanese Americans in the US.

Which crimes are you referring to? Which war are you referring to?

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

#102

Post by __MatrixMan__ »

operatingthetan wrote: post #98
dukeofdoom wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the most likely scenario at this point. Not sure why you're being downvoted.

> bioweapon That part? Really? If you're downvoting, provide a citation...

Zoonotic diseases fill a ecosystem niche: they're an immune response against habitat loss. That makes them more or less weapons.

The questionable part is whether humans are attempting to use them as weapons, or if they're solely wielded by nature.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

#103

Post by dukeofdoom »

saalweachter wrote: post #96
dukeofdoom wrote: post #86

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> Allegedly work was being done on targeting specific ethnicities, like slavs. ... aren't Ukrainians almost all Slavs?

yes, this is why we're on the brink of WWIII. Allegedly Putin is outraged at the betrayal.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

#104

Post by operatingthetan »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #102
operatingthetan wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> bioweapon That part? Really? If you're downvoting, provide a citation...

Zoonotic diseases fill a ecosystem niche: they're an immune response against habitat loss. That makes them more or less weapons. The questionable part is whether humans are attempting to use them as weapons, or if they're solely wielded by nature.

I'm not sure what you're adding here because the context of what they said was "bioweapon lab." So the question is, was it a lab for weapons or not?

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

#105

Post by saalweachter »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #103
saalweachter wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Allegedly work was being done on targeting specific ethnicities, like slavs. ... aren't Ukrainians almost all Slavs?

yes, this is why we're on the brink of WWIII. Allegedly Putin is outraged at the betrayal.

But why would Ukraine be engineering bioweapons targeting themselves?

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

#106

Post by dannyw »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #87
orangepurple wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This is the most likely scenario at this point. Not sure why you're being downvoted.

US and China are not exactly on the friendliest of terms. Why give this to China too?

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

#107

Post by __MatrixMan__ »

operatingthetan wrote: post #104
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoonotic diseases fill a ecosystem niche: they're an immune response against habitat loss. That makes them more or less weapons. The questionable part is whether humans are attempting to use them as weapons, or if they're solely wielded by nature.

I'm not sure what you're adding here because the context of what they said was "bioweapon lab." So the question is, was it a lab for weapons or not?

I don't know those labs get up to, but given that institutes of virology aren't exactly thick on the ground, I think it's pretty plausible that it was a lab leak.

And if it was a lab leak, then what was being researched? If it was benign, there would be published explanations.

And if you wanted a bioweapon that you could use with genome targeting, you'd want something exactly like COVID (re: how is mostly benign among bats). You'd want it to sleep until it found its target.

It's a pretty fantastical conclusion to reach, but it's about as hard to believe as the alternatives, at least until there's evidence backing them. I'm not ruling it out until they figure out which ecosystem change lead to the transmission event (e.g. perhaps a hawk that keeps horseshoe bat populations in check went extinct and the virology lab thing is truly a coincidence).

So my point was that it's a good choice for that kind of research. It's already weaponized, one needs only figure out how to target it.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

#108

Post by AYBABTME »

orangepurple wrote: post #80
GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

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It can be a lab leak without implying a bioweapon. And this seems most likely to me.

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

#109

Post by t-writescode »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #99
GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

Pretty much none of these limitations apply if you can tune the agent to be contagious and harmless (except for the target).

Nothing like a FOXDIE scenario :D

(Metal Gear superweapon that eventually begins to decay and loses its specific-person targeting ability to the point where Snake needs to die to save the rest of the world)

Re: CIA, MKUltra, and the cover-up of U.S. germ warfare in the Korean war (2022)

#110

Post by Natsu »

orangepurple wrote: post #80
GartzenDeHaes wrote: post #47

Biological weapons are not used by the US due to practicality, not morality. 1. It's difficult to manufacture biological agents in large quantities. 2. It's hard to store biological agents for long periods of time, since living things tend to die. 3. It's hard to disperse biological agents over a large area. Spray tanks require flying at low altitude at slow speeds, or multiple deployments at high speeds. Munitions w…

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I tend to believe it was a lab leak, but the bioweapon angle never made sense to me. It made more sense as a model to study HIV since I think it uses the furin cleavage site from there.

Bioweapons are just too non-selective to be useful as far as I can see, and even if you do have a cure in your back pocket, they can easily mutate or you may have issues distributing cures to your own people. Lest we forget, some covid vaccines were developed in an incredibly short time, it was testing, production & distribution that took us a year to get people vaccinated.

That said, I have wondered if it's theoretically possible for a bioweapon to target people by lifestyle. Given some of the rhetoric coming out of Russia, they could, say, make something to target the HIV-positive segments of society. I can only hope such things are actually completely impractical.

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