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Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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Very cool but how does this compare to GPT-4 (before it was nerfed)? I feel like the best benchmark atm is the orig gpt-4 version.

GPT-4 wasn’t nerfed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36155267

Very very hard to believe.

Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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4bit Quantized versions that run on an A100-40G or 2x3090/4090 24GB: https://huggingface.co/TheBloke/falcon-40b-instruct-GPTQ Inference is very slow right now but it works!

How is it possible to run this model on 2x 4090s ? I thought that 4090s were "nerfed" and nvlink support removed - https://www.windowscentral.com/hardware/computers-desktops/n...

Without NVLink different layers are loaded onto individual cards and only one card often has to wait for the other card, slowing down generation. It's still faster than CPU offloading. You can even mix and match GPUs like a 4090 + 3060.

Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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Stupid question but for feed-forward models why do we not yet have some kind of CPU RAM memory swap mechanism? Why is Pytorch still trying to load the whole damn model into GPU RAM at once and then complaining when it can't, instead of swapping portions of the model to CPU RAM, or hell, even SSD? Sure, it might be a lot slower, but that's a lot better than "I give up, go buy $20K worth of hardware"

That’s what llama.cpp does, including offload to a disk. It allows you to run models as big as any combination of your VRAM, RAM or disk. But in the end, if it doesn’t fit into GPU VRAM, it will be slow. For example Guanaco-33B generates ~10 token per second running fully from VRAM of my 3090, the ~1 token/second running from DDR4 RAM of my Ryzen. I would imagine it would do like a token per minute from NVM SSD.

Is it memory/disk bandwidth bound or latency bound?

Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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I saw this, I still am highly suspicious about the future of these models and later attempts at monetization. Did they really just drop their 10% royalty thing and decide they'll just open source all their models now? Another comment mentions llama may get an open license, and there are other emerging alternatives. In six months there will be lots of options. I would not spend my time building anything around a model…

This is such a bizarre comment to make about something that is Apache licensed. Who cares what happened before now that it’s truly open?

Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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Am I the only one who finds this very sketchy? They had the whole license things, there's been some loud complaining by the HF CTO on social media that this model is not getting enough attention, and there are also press releases about how Falcon tops the "leaderboard":

https://www.morningstar.com/news/business-wire/2023052900504...

I've never seen this kind of "strategy" with an ML model before. Maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there...

It could be a question of not being used to see blatantly commercial advertising in places we're used to being about software. Feels like we're moving more towards the bro-ification of AI.

Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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Am I the only one who finds this very sketchy? They had the whole license things, there's been some loud complaining by the HF CTO on social media that this model is not getting enough attention, and there are also press releases about how Falcon tops the "leaderboard": https://www.morningstar.com/news/business-wire/2023052900504... I've never seen this kind of "strategy" with an ML model before. Maybe I'm seeing som…

Probably PR to attract subsidies/investment. UAE might be throwing more money on tech/innovation branded projects than China.

Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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Very cool but how does this compare to GPT-4 (before it was nerfed)? I feel like the best benchmark atm is the orig gpt-4 version.

GPT-4 wasn’t nerfed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36155267

*the api wasn't nerfed. ChatGPT4 was most certainly changed

Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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Sure, here are two: 1. Goat: Fine-tuned LLaMA Outperforms GPT-4 on Arithmetic Tasks https://huggingface.co/papers/2305.14201 2. Gorilla: Large Language Model Connected with Massive APIs https://arxiv.org/abs/2305.15334 Consider also these 2 papers supporting the feasibility of fine-tuning: 3. LIMA: Less Is More for Alignment [showing that a very small number of high quality examples is sufficient to align a base mode…

Sorry I should have been more specific - I was limiting my question to the bigger models. The smaller (~7B) models are feasible with these approaches.

One benefit of finetuning larger models, like 65B, is to free up limited context space vs few-shot prompting.

If you want a specific kind of interaction with the model then you could take up 1/3rd of the 2048 token context window with few-shot or you could simply finetune it with QLoRA for a few hours on a consumer GPU and then get to use the full 2048 context with the finetuned model.

Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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Some people use second hand P40 GPUs, which go for around 200-300$. Combine 3 of them with SLI and you've got 72GB of VRAM for less then $1000

Woah, that's a cool direction. Thank you! I'll explore this.

P40s are kind of a meme. Using ggmls has roughly the same performance at a fraction of the wattage on a dual-channel DDR5 system.

I still use GPTQ for 30B, but even CPU generates quickly enough at q5_1 on modern hardware.

Re: Falcon 40B LLM (which beats Llama) now Apache 2.0

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Hypothetically speaking, if Falcon 40B could out-perform GPT-3.5, would that force OpenAI to open-source GPT-3.5?

No.

There no reason, particularly, to believe either that it does, or it would.

For openai to scramble and try to “catch up” with a competitor and make such a massive change in strategy would require someone to be offering an equivalent service (hosted inference) that was either orders of magnitude cheaper than their offering and just as good, or significantly better than it. Or legal compulsion.

This is none of those things. They won’t care.

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