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How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

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Re: How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

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But its more than that. I might visit Reddit and Hacker News, not because the app summoned me via notifications, but because my brain summoned the app, after just a 15 minute hiatus. The issue is that browser and certain apps are available to me on the phone instantly. And there are no good controls to help me me MINDFUL. What I want from the phone (I use an iPhone): - Upon every unlock, or upon every app open, I sho…

Two habits I have implemented in the last few months:

1. I appended "iknowwhatiamdoing" to the existing alphanumeric password to unlock my phone, and disabled fingerprint unlock. I have to type that every time I want to use the device.

2. I've started asking myself "Does my phone need to remain powered on?" The answer is usually no; then I shut it off completely. This adds a couple minutes of delay / friction next time I feel the compulsion to use it.

Now, I routinely go an entire day with my phone shut off. Sometimes entire weekends, depending what's going on. I think it's been good for me!

Edit: I also realized that it's hazardous to use my phone as a wake-up alarm, because then you start every day half-awake with the info-drug delivery device already in your hand. It's too easy to stay in bed and open up Youtube. So, I've switched (back, after 20 years!) to using a dedicated alarm clock.

Re: How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

#102
post #47

The problem is that internet is both a library and a public place. You need library for information and for work, and internet delivers here better than anything else - almost any information is available instantly. But unlike library with silence and no distractions you're at the same time in the middle of the giant public square, where all the people from your social circle also available instantly. It's like study…

It's not just a public place, but a very specific type of public place: a shopping mall. Were it just a public square with people from your social circle, then it wouldn't be as dangerous.

As a shopping mall, it's full of advertisements, slot machines, games, fast food, sales clerks trying to lead you into the place they want you to be, etc. But it is also the place where almost all your friends are, and almost all the books and newspapers are.

It's hard to leave it because it has valuable things inside (even your office might be inside the mall), but it's also hard to stay in without having your agency taken away by everyone competing for your attention. You could get a book from the bookstore, read it and talk to your friends about it, but it's hard to do that in a mall where everything is designed to take you to their stores, entertainment centers, etc.

Re: How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

#103
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I really believe this social aspect of reachability of people (friends, haters or some people on internet you follow) is crucial. It's not about apps or a screen time, it's about social connection (even ephemeral) that gives this gratification and makes our brains summoning the apps. This. I've concluded the same, observing my own interaction patterns. I use very little social media (would've ditched Facebook if no…

One way to moderate this is to remove them from your phone and just access them from a PC end of day. There is no value from 24/7 instant access to Reddit or HN (or the majority of network connected apps if you think about it), as opposed to browsing for an hour or two at the end of the day if you have some downtime.

My daily phone time is down by about 70% and the solution for me ended up being simply to start putting the phone out of sight and out of reach when I don't need it, with notifications turned off. In a drawer or in a bag or something.

Seems too simple to conquer this monstrous addiction, but it did. The desire to surf Reddit or HN or whatever else just dissipated over time because the thing was no longer around to distract me. If it rings I'll still generally hear it, dig it out and pick it up. I use it to browse if I'm eating alone or using the toilet 'cause I don't know what else to do with that time. (Maybe I should do nothing, or read a book, like we all did before the phonedemic.) That's about it.

The vast majority of stuff you do on the phone is better done on a PC anyway, like I write better quality messages to people now because I'm doing it on a real keyboard.

I still paw at my pocket sometimes out of habit like a trained rat. Gross. What a horrible era of history the phonedemic was, I'm glad it's coming to an end for me.

Re: How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

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post #80
post #9

That's so true. I love Youtube for its music, documentaries and software engineering content. But I hate the Shorts features, if I click on only one video, it sucks all my night. I built a small app for blocking the Shorts features, in this way I can enjoy the advantages without having the bad sides.

There is an add-on called unhook that allows you to disable almost everything on youtube. I turned off shorts, recommendations, the home page even the comments. Now all I see is my subsriptions page. It really stopped me from wasting hours hopping videos. It also workes on firefox mobile, I stopped using the default youtube app.

Unfortunately, it doesn't disable shorts from the subscriptions tab. Which is really annoying now that all my preferred creators are making shorts, and it tries to suck me into doomscrolling.

Re: How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

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Great article. I myself am completely unable to limit my consumption of novel information input by “willpower” or whatever. I’m 18 yo, and the internet, programming, HN, reddit and all are too damn interesting, unnaturally, too much. My brain is completely wired to seek novel information input and surge dopamine. I was an addict of some other thing before too, and I know this is %100 dopamine addiction. The only solution that I found to work, that lets my brain “breathe” and brain fog to clear is restricting access.

I set the password of my iPhone to a 20-digit number which I surely won’t be able to memorize while setting it up. I put all my contacts to my Emergency Contacts so that I can call them without unlocking my phone. I’m logged in to WhatsApp Web on my iPad, I use it from there. My iPad has Screen Time on, its settings are controlled from my iPhone. All domains except some necessary government etc. domains are blocked, and new app installing is disabled on the iPad. After setting up Screen Time, I asked my brother to enter a random password for the Screen Time password and forget it.

I created an iOS Shortcut on my iPhone which dictates my password[2] only if I’m X meters away from banned locations (home & school), because every once in a while I need to unlock my phone to do something. I go on a walk/run and unlock my phone in that case. The shortcut is a widget, it works while my phone is locked.

I also time-locked[1] this password to 24 hours (you can only open it after a decryption process which takes 24 hours) and saved it to my DO server in its locked form, because Shortcuts very rarely doesn’t work. I use my server to decrypt if needed.

My computer’s (NixOS) password is time-locked too, as I’m currently still in school and shouldn’t be using it (Little time left to university exam). After the exam, I plan to lock it down to 6 hours a day and writing a browser extension which uses an LLM to close the current tab if I’m not working on my project X and instead say, doomscrolling HN.

1: I use this program I wrote, in case anyone is interested: https://github.com/aerbil313/timelock

2: It doesn’t dictate the password digits for security reasons. It plays a different notification tone for each digit while I’m entering the password. I memorized which sound is which.

Re: How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

#107
post #7

But its more than that. I might visit Reddit and Hacker News, not because the app summoned me via notifications, but because my brain summoned the app, after just a 15 minute hiatus. The issue is that browser and certain apps are available to me on the phone instantly. And there are no good controls to help me me MINDFUL. What I want from the phone (I use an iPhone): - Upon every unlock, or upon every app open, I sho…

Awareness etc. don’t do it. Only solution I found to work (on me) is complete forced restriction of every time-sucker thing on the device-level.

Re: How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my case, it's likely because I post a lot of sophisticated sounding nonsense - I'm the biological ancestor of ChatGPT :). That, plus I tend to binge on HN, which makes my comments come in bursts - I either post nothing, or comment in 15 different subthreads across 5 different submissions simultaneously. So when you spot me in one place, you'll probably see me everywhere that day. Other high-karma accounts likely p…

I recognize your account too, and while I’m way less prolific I can relate to the same conversational draw and compulsion. I noticed I had it less when working in the office in the Bay Area where it was more possible to engage in these kinds of discussions more frequently in person. I suspect it’s just hard to get that kind of group together in the world outside of weird circumstances so it’s easier to find it online…

Interesting. I almost never comment on HN, and if I do, it tends to be without a lot of substance, like this one.

The thought of feeling a compulsion to participate in a lot of HN comment threads is very hard for me to imagine. My general reflexive feeling towards commenting is “waste of my time”. Particularly if there’s the risk to end up in some heated argument. Those are the worst.

Re: How to Stare at Your Phone Without Losing Your Soul

#110
post #7

But its more than that. I might visit Reddit and Hacker News, not because the app summoned me via notifications, but because my brain summoned the app, after just a 15 minute hiatus. The issue is that browser and certain apps are available to me on the phone instantly. And there are no good controls to help me me MINDFUL. What I want from the phone (I use an iPhone): - Upon every unlock, or upon every app open, I sho…

I found that I spent more time on Reddit and Twitter than I wanted to. Scrolling on those apps was becoming a coping mechanism for avoiding unpleasant tasks. So I decided that I could only use those apps on a certain day of the week. On that day, I am free to go crazy and scroll all I want but outside of those days, I don't allow myself to open them at all. The first 2 weeks were pretty hard but once I got over the hump, I've gotten used to the new normal. There are still some days where I struggle not to fall off the wagon.

This experience has taught me that you can reset your brain to whatever normal you want. It's hard but doable. I'm not someone that has a ton of willpower but have managed to keep to this for the last couple of months.

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