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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Been making electronic music for well over a decade, but always in the classic DAW arrangement view, at most using MIDI keyboards in terms of haptic input devices but relying on mouse and keyboard 95% of the time. I look at devices like Push or Maschine and my immediate thought is how tedious it seems to get anything done with them. I find the different approaches to manifesting musical ideas endlessly fascinating.

As someone in a similar position as yourself, but who been using hardware instead of software like DAWs, I find myself having a similar feeling to people who use keyboard/mouse to make music like that, seems really tedious compared to the workflow I have outside of the computer. But most importantly, I agree with your very last sentence, we're all different and what's optimal differs a lot from person to person.

Coming up with a riff/melody is much faster on an actual instrument (if you know how to use it). Turning that melody into a piece of good music is much faster in a DAW (if you know how to use it). If you lack skill in DAW usage or you're not making "finished" music, being instrument only is a legit approach, but learning and integrating a DAW would help you make better music.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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I own a Push 1 and 2, although at hobbyist level. The standalone Push 3 seems a great step forward. macOS has increasingly become user-hostile when it comes to audio (and other pro) users. For instance I have an expensive sound card that became useless with after a minor OS upgrade. I never got to troubleshoot it or find an official solution. That was incredibly discouraging - enough to move on to other hobbies. And…

Musician here, most of us (the ones that aren't also programmers) just have to pay up the arse every time for every thing. I've been teaching myself keys the last few years and had been planning to one day get myself a big $6k stage keyboard, when I felt that I had sufficiently developed to warrant it. I have since tried out Zynthian, and my conclusion was that with a pianoteq license and a good controller, I can hav…

offtopic, but what keyboard controller do you recommend?

I have a cheap MIDI keyboard but the keyfeel is all wrong compared to the upright pianos I used to play as a kid. I'd like to get back into piano, and I know I struggled with phrasing/dynamics, and I worry that unweighted keys will teach me bad habits even though they're technically velocity sensitive...

Re: Ableton Push 3

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For someone without experience with synth instruments: what can this thing do what an iPad could not also do?

It has buttons you can push! Seriously, for an instrument, the feel of the buttons is kind of a big deal.

This is meant for live "playing" as well as recording, so the feel of the buttons rather than a touch screen is important.

You should check out videos of people using the original push as a live instrument - it can take serious talent.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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For someone without experience with synth instruments: what can this thing do what an iPad could not also do?

It's a highly optimized and specialized user interface for music production and live performance. It's tactile, the pads are pressure sensitive, and it comes with a high-quality audio interface for other studio gear. It's probably sturdier than an iPad, and it's user repairable.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Very steep prices. Can buy a decent MacBook Air for the cost of the standalone version. Would have been nice to see them keep the old model around with a reduced price for people less well off.

The price is quite reasonable. You shouldn't compare it to a MacBook Air but to other stand alone boxes with built in controllers like the Akai MPC X which is €2400, the Akai Force, which is quite Ableton-like and which costs €1200.

It also comes with an MPE controller and those are not cheap.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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For someone without experience with synth instruments: what can this thing do what an iPad could not also do?

Nothing except user experience.

The Push lets you turn physical knobs to adjust sound parameters, and the pressure sensitive pads let you play drums / piano / whatever softly to loudly. The external sound interface is very low latency so playing a guitar along with sequenced music feels natural and records in time. And of course it’s more durable for live performances.

But technically, with the right software, you could produce the same music on an iPad. There are step sequencers and Ableton controllers in the App Store. They’re just much less satisfying / expressive / empowering to use.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly the sort of email we get. Except that this would literally be the first request for Fedora, exactly exemplifying our problem. (Most of our users request things with Ubuntu / Debian bases.)

I'm not requesting you do anything, I'm not even a customer (as far as I know), I'm saying what I would do in your position if I was aiming to support an audio product on Linux. I explained why I would choose Fedora. It's your business, you run it as you see fit. I can't help but feel that maybe you read too much into what you get sent. I would pick one "known good config" ( your distro of choice), present it as what…

I'm glad you have good ideas about how to run a business like this.

But I think your post illustrates the idea that, unlike windows or mac users, us Linux users have opinions about how the business should be run, and we tend to voice them through support channels and emails and social media etc.

Every time we voice our ideas, it generates a ticket or a discussion or a decision that they have to deal with. The act of contemplating these possible ideas, whether that means discussing them with the team or deleting the email or reading the slashdot thread, costs the business time and attention.

Each time a company makes a concrete decision -- "let's only support Fedora," to use your example -- 80% of the potential linux user base you'd even care about (ubuntu users) is out of luck. This is true for "let's care only about pulseaudio," "let's only care about ALSA," "let's only care about this specific glib version," etc. The intersection of these decisions is very small.

You're saying they should pick one supported configuration and stick with it. That's what they're already doing though -- it's just not an operating system that runs Linux. We can keep around a hardware-specific Windows box just the same.

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