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Who wants to be tracked?

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Re: Who wants to be tracked?

#101
I recently tried to disable the consent to share my data with external companies on one website.

There was "accept all" and "manage" buttons, and under the "manage" button there were 100s (yes, multiple 100s) of sites listed, each with consent on by default, and to disable everything I had to manually scroll through it all and click on each item.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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> it also hurts How is simple analytics or A/B testing that's NOT internet-wide tracking (that is, only for the website you're on) or sold (which would be outright illegal without explicit consent) hurting you? Genuine question, because I don't see it. Internet-wide tracking across many sites: sure. But that's a very different thing – it's the difference between "I'm home Darling, I saw Sander at the mall today" vs.…

It's like like being issued a state mandated always online tracker and then police would say verbally that they promise not to abuse that data. And before people would nitpick my comment, metadata is surveillance. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/metadata_equa...

I bet HN keeps server logs; would you say you're being surveilled by viewing this page and posting that comment? If not, why not? What's the difference between that metadata and any other?

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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The data is that of "I have a person who likes monkey paws" and then they can sell that to the monkey paw conglomerate. Next thing you know you're getting monkey paws in the mail!

The entire premise of my question is that data is kept private between the two parties (the website owner and the visitor). I don't see how this connects with that at all. And how do you even get someone's mail address without an extensive internet-wide profile (which, again, isn't what the premise of my question was in the first place)?

It’s one thing to say that you’ll keep the data private between you, but from the user’s perspective there’s no guarantee. Whether that’s because you change your mind and decide to sell the user’s data, or there’s some sorta data breach, or or or.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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I have switched one of my sites to cookieless analytics and it is bad for everybody. I can't even say how many users this site has now. It could be the same user coming back over and over. Or many users. How would I know. Yes, I could track a ton of stats about every pageview like user agent, screen resolution etc and then try to stitch it back together. Trying to figure out how many different users there are. But th…

IP address + User-Agent gives you enough data to track "user journeys" whatever this is. I'm curious, what is your favorite example of improving your website based on cookies that you couldn't do with basic IP+UA tracking?

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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>hash the IP-address How would that work? I can't think of any approach where getting the original IP back from the hash isn't trivial.

you dont need to get the original ip back, just need to know how many unique ips are there, so sha(ip) is good enough

With little over 4 billion IPv4 addresses.

From a stackoverflow post from 12 years ago:

> I know I do 622 million SHA-256's per sec on a Radeon HD5830.

Which would take around 6 seconds to brute force a 32bit address space.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

#106

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I've been thinking about the same thing - this feels like it deserves a native API, so we can get rid of all these dark patterns currently being employed.

It’s there. It’s “Do-Not-Track” and it sadly was never respected by the big platforms (and any developers, really). I’ve never seen a single case where setting the DNT header made a difference — which is dumb considering how infested the web is with privacy prompts… Server owners can track you with the data they collect, client side can have little control of that. I wonder if there’s a better way possible in the cur…

> I wonder if there’s a better way possible in the current iteration of the web platform, or if a substantial overhaul is necessary for privacy respecting services

Web browsers taking the reigns is the best option we have. Adblock + anti-fingerprinting + cookie jars/cookies being deleted by default are all necessities in the modern day. Ideally, moving people to more privacy conscious choices (i.e. not Google/Microsoft) are great steps to reducing the power of the Internet surveillance capitalism machine.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

#107

My main problem is cross website tracking. I don't really have a problem with a website keeping track of all my visits to that particular website. I think it works similar in real life as well. You don't mind if a store clerk recognises you coming back to a shop. But you would be kind of creeped out if he also knew where and when you last visited your dentist.

I'm fine with them keeping my purchase history for example. And then maybe even sending me offers based on that. Now tracking what I viewed or browsed on their site get bit harder.

And sharing with anyone else is right out.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like like being issued a state mandated always online tracker and then police would say verbally that they promise not to abuse that data. And before people would nitpick my comment, metadata is surveillance. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/09/metadata_equa...

I bet HN keeps server logs; would you say you're being surveilled by viewing this page and posting that comment? If not, why not? What's the difference between that metadata and any other?

Of course they’re being surveilled on Hacker News. Keeping a finger on the pulse here is the epitome of low hanging fruit for law enforcement and intelligence. Why would anyone suspect otherwise?

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

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Because they also want everything for free.

> Because they also want everything for free. Maybe people just goes to the cheaper option available because increasing inequality has left millions with no disposable income. This is the same logic by which people prefers cheap furniture instead of high quality one. It is not a preference for cheap but it is just what they can afford, if they had more money most people will get the higher quality version and pay the…

> Maybe people just goes to the cheaper option available because increasing inequality has left millions with no disposable income.

No disposable income would mean not being able to spend money, meaning never buy anything. If this was true the ad industry would very quickly run bankrupt. And yet the revenues of Google and Facebook indicate otherwise.

Re: Who wants to be tracked?

#110
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To be fair, I think it was Microsoft who killed the DNT header by enabling it by default.

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The 'general victim blaming' feels weird in contexts when there are at least three parties involved (MS, Google, End-Users + X)(NATO, Ukraine, Russia).

And how would you call it, when you compare a technological detail like the default setting of a HTTP header with a war where thousands of humans die? Hyperbole? Metaphorical exaggeration?

I think that is not a good base for a constructive discussion.

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