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Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#101

What a shitty company. Time and time again they shaft consumers yet people buy into the ecosystem. Marketing works unfortunately.

Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry. 1 phone that’s not thrown away is 1000s of parts saved.

> Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry.

Depends if you count community support or not because nobody beats Lineageos at this game.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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One straightforward idea: Once the phone is unlocked (e.g. by pin code) allow the user to authorize the new hardware. I don't think most users are capable of auditing their generic hardware to be sure it is free of backdoors.

It's sad that that's not up to the user. maybe paternalistic comprising is what Apple's customers really want, but I'm convinced it's bad for the user and bad for society in the long run.

Hard disagree — there are plenty of things where human brains will take a shortcut no matter how smart the individual is. Security is especially a category where humans will fault, no matter what.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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I don't mean to be the devil's advocate, but I'm pretty sure that disabling Face ID when replacing the camera with a generic one is primarily a measure to thwart potential hardware-based attacks...

Who cares though? The .00005% of the population that actually faces that threat vector can deal with it. Nobody is sneaking into my house and replacing the faceid middle of the night. This is happening to nobody you know, and nobody they know either. The rest of us just want our $800 paper weight to work again.

Your 800 dollar paper weight can be sold for almost that exactly because Apple guarantees that the hardware can’t be tempered with.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#104

What a shitty company. Time and time again they shaft consumers yet people buy into the ecosystem. Marketing works unfortunately.

I honestly don’t get this sentiment, and why Apple is targeted for these — this is objectively the one category where Apple is unlike every other phone manufacturer. How many people walk around with 8 years old any Android phones? I bet that number is insanely small, yet I see it everyday in case of iphones, which manage to get 2 or even 3 owners in their lifetime.

Look at the resell value of any other phone, it basically drops to zero the moment you open the box, while even older iphones get sold for very fair prices. And getting that many years out of a phone is absolutely stellar.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

#105

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Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry. 1 phone that’s not thrown away is 1000s of parts saved.

> Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry. Depends if you count community support or not because nobody beats Lineageos at this game.

I am 100% sure that more 2nd-3rd user iphones are circulating in active use than the lineage os downloads summed together ever. Like, it’s not really a thing for the general populace.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Perhaps, but their policies and support for old hardware far exceeds anything you see in the Android world. But you point out THIS "shitty company" while not throwing your gaze towards all the other "shitty companies" like Samsung, or Google, or Sony, or Microsoft. Could it be that your disdain for the type of people that buy Apple products just rings through? The tried and true "them" vs "me" attitude. Personally, I…

They’re all doing things like this, yes. That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though, it just means we need to fix it everywhere Interestingly Microsoft actually seems to be supporting right to repair but it could be some kind of PR stunt, still though that’s a good step forward

> That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though

It literally does - their devices easily reach 8-10 years of active usage, and we are talking about something that is used more than your shoes per day, actively charged-discharged each day, thrown around/fallen down, etc. Like that’s a great lifetime however we look at it, and it might need one or two battery replacements max for that.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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It's sad that that's not up to the user. maybe paternalistic comprising is what Apple's customers really want, but I'm convinced it's bad for the user and bad for society in the long run.

Hard disagree — there are plenty of things where human brains will take a shortcut no matter how smart the individual is. Security is especially a category where humans will fault, no matter what.

It's not clear to me how your statement disagrees with mine.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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> Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry. Depends if you count community support or not because nobody beats Lineageos at this game.

I am 100% sure that more 2nd-3rd user iphones are circulating in active use than the lineage os downloads summed together ever. Like, it’s not really a thing for the general populace.

Maybe but in the meantime, I can still install Android 12 on a Galaxy S4 and use it everyday whereas the iPhone 5 is now just ewaste.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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It's not about fake iphones. It's about taking a real iphone and swapping a part for non-genuine one that does something you don't expect (or find out)

While we could discuss about that, Apple also blocks or alerts for genuine parts so they can't use that defense either.

It's telling that you see this as a trial. Nobody else does; there is no defense or prosecution or any of that.

The reason Apple prompts for genuine parts is to devalue the stolen phone market. If repair shops could put in any old camera, there would be a lot more incentive to sell stolen phones to repair shops, therefore more incentive to steal phones, therefore more stolen phones.

Apple's a giant company. I have no emotional connection to them. But most of what we're talking about here makes sense from a business and even customer-friendly perspective, or at least as a reasonable tradeoff between ease/expense of repair and likelihood of having your phone stolen or pwned.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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post #105

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I am 100% sure that more 2nd-3rd user iphones are circulating in active use than the lineage os downloads summed together ever. Like, it’s not really a thing for the general populace.

Maybe but in the meantime, I can still install Android 12 on a Galaxy S4 and use it everyday whereas the iPhone 5 is now just ewaste.

Galaxy S4 release date: 2013

iPhone 5s release date: 2013

Last official update from galaxy s4: Android 5.0.1 in 2015 [1]

Last official update to iPhone 5s: iOS 12.5.7 in 2023 [2]

I’m well aware that you’re speaking of custom roms, but insinuating that this is solving ewaste issues is disingenuous at best. No ewaste is fixed by us nerds flashing custom roms through adb incantations in out of support hardware.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4#Updates

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history

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