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Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

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Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was just cleaning my shop and was constantly between fogged glasses behind eye protection and tons of dust accumulating on the lenses. I’ve worn glasses for 30 years and that aspect of wearing them is vastly inferior to corrective procedures or contacts. I would stick with contacts but, like this topic suggests, there are legitimate health concerns, and I can’t justify how disposable they are with no consideration…

The level of waste from monthly contact lenses is surely less than a grocery trip where you forget your reusable bags. I wouldn't even consider that aspect personally, they're tiny.

I suppose the way I look at it is that any practical option I have to reduce waste is likely worthwhile, and contacts falls square in that category.

Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

#102
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Well then. LASIK it is.

You know glasses exist, right?

I hate wearing glasses.

Having something constantly on my face, on my nose, behind my ears, in front of my eyes, so my peripheral vision is constantly a blur, chromatic aberration around the edges, you’ve got to be careful not to smudge or scratch or bump or bend them… plus that heart-stopping moment when something hits you in the face, knocks them off, and suddenly you are BLIND and there’s nothing you can do about it…

I hate wearing glasses.

Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

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PFAS is to my generation as leaded gasoline is to the prior generation(s), and asbestos to the ones before them, and so forth from when the first chimneys were put up to spew toxic sludge into our air and rivers at the start of the industrial revolution. There is something so sad, so unworkable, and so deeply troubling about how this kind of thing keeps happening.

we used to live malnourished, with stunted growth, women dying in childbirth to bring 8 kids into the world half of whom would die in childhood, with large numbers of men dying before they couldn't afford reading glasses they would need. (my gf was 1 of 5 surviving from 10 born, with horsedrawn transportation and starvation) all that industrialization brought us to much healthier longer lives filled with amenities un…

If you're cold and start burning your furnitures in the middle of your living room you'll feel nice and cozy for a little while, it's not sustainable though

Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

#104

If I want to sell lemonade, tea or coffee by the road, I need to apply for 5 different documents of some kind or another in my city. If I want to manufacture (or moreso, import ) things with all kinds of unknown, untested chemicals, I am free to do as I wish with no supervision.

Well, arguably, we understand lemonade well so we can regulate the sale of it. The same can't be said for PFAS. People move slow, and regulatory legislation, particularly under conservative rule, desperately so.

Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

#105
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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>now as a society we uncover problems, we fix them. We're doing pretty well. Doing pretty well? Doubt if the parents of all those severely deformed thalidomide-affected babies, or the babies themselves, would agree: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal

That was extremely sad event for a relatively short period of time and small percentage of American families, but it certainly isn't worse than the average child or maternal mortality rate of the 19th century.

Not only American.

Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other commenters pointed out that glasses are an option, but I feel like the real thing that is missed in lasik discussions is risk -- there is no risk of ruining your eyes by wearing glasses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LASIK#Risks

There's also a risk every time you go outside. Without actual odds of the risk occurring to you, it's a meaningless point. I looked into this 12 years ago when I was debating whether I should get LASIK, and the risk seemed minuscule. I'm sure odds of a bad outcome have gone down even more in that time.

If you already waited 12 years, might as well wait more. What they don’t tell you is your eyes will continue to deteriorate after lasik. You might as well wait for the contact lens with stem cells sewn into it

Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

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post #105
post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was extremely sad event for a relatively short period of time and small percentage of American families, but it certainly isn't worse than the average child or maternal mortality rate of the 19th century.

Not only American.

Almost all not American. Thalidomide was never approved for general use in the United States -- in fact, the FDA rejected it six times. As a result only 17 thalidomide babies were born here. Today, it is used for several conditions, but never in pregnant women, or women who might become pregnant.

Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

#109
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So is there a health concern with having PFAS in contact with your eyes, or is this an environmental issue because they don't degrade? It sounds like there's something here meant to get upset about, but I don't know what it's supposed to be.

Many PFAS compounds are toxic at parts per trillion levels. As a chemist I can tell you that it's a big deal, but there is also no way you can avoid exposure. The fact that 3M is exiting their 1.3 billion fluorinated molecule business of their own accord, should give you a flavour of the shitstorm of litigation that will result when the full implications of PFAS contamination are understood more broadly. https://news…

It's also logical to exit the business even if it isn't harmful due to litigation risk and perception.

All of that business will be taken up by other manufacturers in APEC and in aggregate the world will be unhealthier due to less regulation.

Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

#110

How large are PFAS particles? Because the Bowman's layer found just under the epithelium should stop most particles from reaching the stroma. The Bowman's layer is particularly frustrating for medicinal delivery - it stops most particles from reaching stroma/endothelium. This makes corneal burn recovery quite difficult. So if PFAS has some mechanism to pass through the Bowman's layer, it could be useful for medicine…

About 30% of pharmaceuticals being developed are PFAS, so the value for medicine is already quite understood.
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