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Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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These remote-vs-office discussions where nobody discusses the actual work involved are fairly pointless. Disregarding the obvious scenarios of presence-required in order to work (i.e. manufacturing), the question applies: what is most productive for "information work"? In my personal experience, I've found collaboration conducted face-to-face far more effective than doing so in a distributed/online way. There is a hi…

> In other words, how do we (the employer) ensure our employees aren't moonlighting on our team and only giving the minimum level of effort with us? The tools for properly determining this are no different remote vs in an office at least for IT work. Most dev teams work in sprints and each sprint comes with a commitment from each developer. It is very noticeable even in remote work if a developer is either: - Not mak…

> The tools for properly determining this...

This isn't a logically-evaluate-output scenario. It's low-trust between employee and employer.

The bullet points listed are highlighting situations where someone isn't delivering. What do you do if they ARE delivering, but not delivering as much as they could be? The "Not making a reasonably sized commitment" is implicitly an assessment of trust in someone. (I'm trying to paraphrase what I understand others are doing -- I certainly don't subscribe to this thought process.)

> a high skill employee putting in minimal effort but still being more valuable than multiple other developers

You're correct in evaluating value - "Hey, at least that individual is better than the others..." , Unfortunately not everyone sees it that way.

If the employer's expectation is that you are DEDICATED to your role, then all of your energy goes to that role -- not another one. All this gets into nuance and legality about what you're working on, if you have more than one W-2, etc. In one company I know of, your work agreement stipulates you may not hold another full-time position in such-and-such capacity.

As always, it depends from place to place.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

#102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if no headhunters in your area have jobs that offer remote work?

Find better headhunters. They do work on commission

Whenever I ask them about remote companies they all say they don't have such customers, they all want people in the office.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

#103

This is just code for outsourcing. Americans who are all-in on remote work should recognize this.

I think you probably meant to object to off-shoring (same company doing the work with employees in different country) rather than out-sourcing (different company doing the work). Out-sourcing from other countries has been happening at scale for decades. I agree that remote work pulls all of us (rather quickly) towards globalization. Overall, I think this is a good thing, even though people (like me) who temporarily b…

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Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time zones and expected levels of education are still significant factors. You generally don't want to be hiring people from regions with a substandard education system - and if they're in another time zone they can spend all night ruining your day before you even start work.

Then how about hiring people in Canada? Unless Canada somehow has worse education system than the US? Or, if it’s really only about education systems, Finland? Seriously, if it’s only about education, you can do better than the US.

> Then how about hiring people in Canada

They all do. But good luck getting a bargain.

Canada is a smaller California (population-wise) stretched over 5 timezones.

Something you have to keep in mind is that there are two parallel markets over there: SV caliber developers and the rest. The former won't have any issue getting a job in the US (takes maybe a week for a talented engineer to get one). Therefore, comp has to be priced appropriately. The later can't -and likely won't ever be able to- secure a US visa, mostly due to skills (there's a reason they immigrated to Canada, it's way easier and the quotas are close to 10x per capita compared to the US). Some companies leverage this and have floors of international devs they park in Canada for a fraction of their US counterpart through a subsidiary.

> Finland

The country is a little bit smaller, population-wise, than Minnesota. Great education system, but only produces so many engineers.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

#105

These remote-vs-office discussions where nobody discusses the actual work involved are fairly pointless. Disregarding the obvious scenarios of presence-required in order to work (i.e. manufacturing), the question applies: what is most productive for "information work"? In my personal experience, I've found collaboration conducted face-to-face far more effective than doing so in a distributed/online way. There is a hi…

> huge signal they don't know how to really measure productivity It’s genuinely hard to measure productivity in some fields.

If it can’t be measured does it matter ?

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> huge signal they don't know how to really measure productivity It’s genuinely hard to measure productivity in some fields.

If it can’t be measured does it matter ?

Of course.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

#108

Yet, most IT work is on-site. At least in EU.

The EU is quite vast, and this is untrue at least for France, Netherlands, Bulgaria and from what I can tell Spain and Italy. Even very old school companies (think flag airlines and banks) have at least hybrid with more time remote than not.

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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More remote work helps the planet too you know since it reduces ones carbon footprint and more time for people to sleep improves mental health too

For a (weak) counterpoint, there's an interesting article in Bloomberg today about how day-time recreational drug habits are increasing due to remote work. https://archive.is/IoY1k >> Drug recovery firm Sierra Tucson concluded from a November 2021 survey that about 20% of US workers admitted to using recreational drugs while working remotely, and also to being under the influence during virtual meetings. So it's not…

In every office I worked at, more than 20% were drunk at 2 PM. I would say it was more like 35%.

I don't like being around people on hard drugs, especially at work, so not having to deal with that is a huge plus!

Re: Brian Chesky: Ability to hire from anywhere is more valuable than in-office work

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a (weak) counterpoint, there's an interesting article in Bloomberg today about how day-time recreational drug habits are increasing due to remote work. https://archive.is/IoY1k >> Drug recovery firm Sierra Tucson concluded from a November 2021 survey that about 20% of US workers admitted to using recreational drugs while working remotely, and also to being under the influence during virtual meetings. So it's not…

In every office I worked at, more than 20% were drunk at 2 PM. I would say it was more like 35%. I don't like being around people on hard drugs, especially at work, so not having to deal with that is a huge plus!

I've worked at companies with beer taps in the lunch room.
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