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EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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I just realised I rarely plug a cable into my phone at all these days. Genuinely I think the last time I did was in a hire car that only had cable CarPlay. At my desk I got a wireless charger as well as my bed side. Data is over the cloud now etc Serious question how long until they drop the port full stop? Like what if they achieve serious wireless charging speeds And actually does anyone know if that’s allowed with…

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Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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I don't understand why Apple are dragging their heels on this so much

Money.

I don't think this is the main reason. How many millions in licensing fee profit are they really earning? It seems like a drop in the bucket comparative to their total profit. And if that's the reason, why does the iPad have USB-C?

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Can you elaborate?

The general problem with USB-C is that the connectors support multiple different protocols, cables are allowed to not be of sufficient quality for all use-cases (the worst example is probably high-bitrate cases like cables for computer monitors) including high power charging. Similarly, the devices on either end needn’t support all the potential protocols/uses. Furthermore, many USB-C devices that are sold are low qu…

Lightning cables are USB 2.0. I think you'll find every USB-C cable supports the USB 2 feature set.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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I don't understand why Apple are dragging their heels on this so much

The last time they changed their connector (to lightning) they invalidated a lot of third party accessories designed around the old connector. Not simple stuff, like cables, but docks galore; many in expensive long-term purchases like luxury cars and stereo equipment. It stressed a lot of partnerships that define Apple's luxury brand status.

Luckily there is an existing ecosystem of USB-C accessories. Many provide both USB-C and lightning versions.

Apple are dragging their feet because one form of Apple tax is going away.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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Apple can easily afford this. The real reasons for their foot-dragging are their need to differentiate their products, and their need (driven by their organisational culture) to feel that they are in control.

What he means is, having a proprietary connector means they can milk accessory makers with licensing fees.

I get that.

But I've always struggled to believe that revenue from licencing or direct sales of Lightning connectors is that big a deal to Apple. I think their insistence on using their own connector is more about product differentiation and lock-in than about revenue and performance.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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post #97

I just realised I rarely plug a cable into my phone at all these days. Genuinely I think the last time I did was in a hire car that only had cable CarPlay. At my desk I got a wireless charger as well as my bed side. Data is over the cloud now etc Serious question how long until they drop the port full stop? Like what if they achieve serious wireless charging speeds And actually does anyone know if that’s allowed with…

>Serious question how long until they drop the port full stop?

Probably in 2 years if it allows a loophole where a proprietary $100 charger works better than generic.

Their stance on this issue has shown that dongleification design culture has won over user experience design culture within the Apple walls.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

#107
post #85

Apple many many dongles. Adapters to iphones, cable adapters to macbooks, cable adapters to 3.5 inch headphone jack, to hdmi. Too many Apples dongles exception. My dongle collection is larger than yours.

Then you're doing it wrong. I have never bought a dongle in my life, but I _have_ replaced cables with ??? to USB-C variants.

- Micro USB to USB-C

- HDMI to USB-C

- DisplayPort to USB-C

- Mini USB to USB-C (that was tough to find!)

Literally everything plugs into my laptop natively without a dongle.

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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post #78
post #4

I don't understand why Apple are dragging their heels on this so much

The last time they changed their connector (to lightning) they invalidated a lot of third party accessories designed around the old connector. Not simple stuff, like cables, but docks galore; many in expensive long-term purchases like luxury cars and stereo equipment. It stressed a lot of partnerships that define Apple's luxury brand status.

There's a few portable ultrasound devices with lightning connectors. For example https://www.butterflynetwork.com/iq-ultrasound-individuals

Re: EU sends Apple stark warning over USB-C charging on new iPhones

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post #97

I just realised I rarely plug a cable into my phone at all these days. Genuinely I think the last time I did was in a hire car that only had cable CarPlay. At my desk I got a wireless charger as well as my bed side. Data is over the cloud now etc Serious question how long until they drop the port full stop? Like what if they achieve serious wireless charging speeds And actually does anyone know if that’s allowed with…

How do you handle situation when you want to use your phone while charging it? Then you need to hold it together with charging pad which must not move otherwise your charging speed will drop significantly, which is synonymous to have it connected to the charger, but with much finicky "connector"
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