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Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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Long running trends unrelated to the pandemic:

Off-shoring, near-shoring. Where some of your colleagues are permanently virtual-only.

Cross-company collaboration. Specifically a lot of work involving dealing with external parties like vendors. Due to companies outsourcing many of their processes and systems.

Family situations becoming more complicated when couples both work, thus many work schedules no longer being a simple 5x8.

Commoditization of digital collaboration: email, chat, teams/zoom calls.

The rise of multi-tasking: many people are pulled in 20 directions.

When you add up all these effects, a return to the office is not a return to glory. I loved the way I worked 20 years ago: small group of people, local only, focused work, deep relations with co-workers, fun, spontaneous ideation, etc.

When I "return to the office" now, I see people with headsets in calls. Roughly 4-6 hours per day, and then there is messaging and email still. Working together barely seems to happen for the simple reason that actual work seems to barely happen. It's just calls and chat now. A productivity pandemic and I'm shocked how leaders do not intervene at all.

Maybe they can't. Maybe our world and work has simply become too complex.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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post #6

I could not disagree more. At least for the last decade in the places I've worked (major tech companies), everyone has been doing "remote work" anyway even though they were in the office. I mean, meetings were held online, discussion took place through chat, etc., between people literally sitting in cubes next to each other. Everything is just more efficient and less disruptive that way. Working from home changed no…

JohnFen, your observation is as sharp as a finely honed knife. It's true that in many tech companies, remote work practices have been silently integrated into daily office routines for years now. In the pre-pandemic world, remote communication tools allowed us to streamline our work processes, making them more efficient and less disruptive. As you pointed out, this level of efficiency has been achieved even when sitt…

These gpt responses are such a turn off - one day we might not detect them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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I don't mind the article as I take the points as the location of work should match the stages and culture of the team/business. In a weird parallel to "the difference between a house and a home".

If I was being general I'd say that leaders need to focus on creating an environment where people feel secure, engaged and connected to each other. And people are empowered to create this environment for others.

What location this is done in shouldn't be the focus.

Offices, factories, beaches, houses don't have the above because buildings don't create it, people do.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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post #56

I have noticed that senior employees, rather selfishly, advocate for full remote work. This robs junior people of valuable one on one mentorship and makes it extremely difficult to gain domain expertise and break into niche fields.

Everyone is selfish - aren’t the junior employees being selfish too ?

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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post #56

I have noticed that senior employees, rather selfishly, advocate for full remote work. This robs junior people of valuable one on one mentorship and makes it extremely difficult to gain domain expertise and break into niche fields.

Everyone is selfish - aren’t the junior employees being selfish too ?

Sure, but they are usually not in a position to influence any decision making here.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best and most productive I've ever been (at least felt, but I think the results spoke for themselves as well) was when I was able to go into an office, but did not have to. There is some tragedy of the commons there though. It was quite convenient to have most everyone in the office on a given day if I decided at 11am it might be nice to switch gears. I also lived literally across the street for one job, and abou…

phil21, I see where you're coming from, but let's not forget that we're all different, and what might work for you won't necessarily work for everyone else. It's great that you thrived in that environment, but forcing others into the office because it suits you just ain't the way to go. There are folks who are far more productive working remotely, and we should respect their preferences too. It's all about balance an…

I believe that's exactly what I was advocating for as the most productive. The ability to choose to go into an office at your convenience. It certainly was in my personal experience, and I wish it an option for everyone. I was simply pointing out how impractical and rare that situation tends to be.

And I also have a different perspective having worked from home "before it was cool" starting back in '98. I've spent far more time in my home office by a factor of 10 to 1 at least than in an office.

Keep in mind with WFH you are forcing everyone to your preferences just as much as work from office. There are far more dynamics at play than personal productivity - team and business productivity as a whole is far more important and rarely talked about.

Many times as a manger of a fully WFH team I'd force some grumpy sysadmin in for a few days a week for a month as we knocked out a project. Sure they got "nothing done" those two days according to them, but they unblocked critical projects for the rest of the team during that time that simply was not happening while they were in their "focus cave". To this day they will tell you it was a waste of their time and WFH would have been far more productive. I highly disagree.

As you say, everyone is different. As are situations. Some of the highest velocity teams I've interacted with were a handful of highly skilled seniors geographically distributed. There are projects I can think of I could call a few folks and form a fully remote team, and other projects I'd very much want to be on-prem "mostly office". It all depends.

There is something to be said about looking back the past 25 years. While I remember some fond moments from my spare bedroom, I remember far more from in-office interactions. I'm not sure how I'm going to feel about that fact in another 20 years.

Edit: I do wonder how opinions would differ if we invented free teleportation tomorrow. I wonder how much of this is commute vs. actual preferred work environment. For me it's mostly commute - give me a private office people respect and I'd likely prefer it with a teleportation pad in my living room.

Re: Sam Altman says era of remote work is over

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post #6

I could not disagree more. At least for the last decade in the places I've worked (major tech companies), everyone has been doing "remote work" anyway even though they were in the office. I mean, meetings were held online, discussion took place through chat, etc., between people literally sitting in cubes next to each other. Everything is just more efficient and less disruptive that way. Working from home changed no…

You clearly didn't read the article and came to react from the headline. He says the earlier the stage and the more unclear the more you need to spend time together. His general comment is about full 100% transition from in office to remote. I agree with this. You need SOME time in person, especially with an early stage startup.

You thinks it’s a coincidence what he’s saying, without hard proof/data, also solves the lease issue? No one would ever have ulterior motives.

Almost half of the upcoming generation(s) of political and industry leaders socialize online more than offline.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35780201

Seems to me the market has spoken. Mechanized travel is toxic and expensive. Offices AND homes are toxic and expensive. Personal devices AND job devices are toxic and expensive. There’s a lot of duplication going on to satisfy career roleplay.

What a shock the people who will still be around, growing increasingly frustrated with Boomers and GenX demanding full speed ahead as usual, what a shock those coming up after are choosing a different route.

Around 13-14, teens brains deprioritize moms voice for new information. We are stateful beings. It’s not a stretch the need to seek new information runs our entire lives. Boomers and GenX are selling “more of the same!”

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2022/04/teenager-brai...

How sad if the latest iteration of the professional managerial class is told to take a hike.

How we don’t see forcing the same old on the kids as tacit ageism against youth, I have no idea. Anyone that’s decided not to join a religion leveraged their free agency to blow off an elders sensibilities. “American Civic Life” of the last 50-60 years is not a divine mandate.

We didn’t sign contracts to prop up VCs choices, or leases.

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