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Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by trafficante »

permo-w wrote: post #74
jonhohle wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the exception (currently) of in person conversation, AI can be used basically every other form of communication (phone calls, written communication, TV, radio, etc). It’s not just an Internet issue.

I was mostly joking, but even so most of this is a stretch as of now I could be wrong, but I’m fairly sure we’re not yet at the point of convincing, real-time voice gen, nor any kind of decent quality TV (sadly), although printed text and (non-live) radio are certainly viable right now

Real-time convincing-sounding TTS is extremely close - I’d be surprised if we don’t get an elevenlabs equivalent to gpt-turbo before the end of summer.

I spent an hour or three over the weekend messing around in Skyrim VR with a mod that does player speech recognition, pipes it out to GPT with identifier tags to give scene context, sends GPT output to elevenlabs (optional), and then the mod integrates it into Skyrim mouth rigging etc.

Yes, there’s an extremely obvious lag before you get a response, but it’s on the order of seconds even though this is an early Skyrim mod with a ton of moving parts interacting.

And the result is…astounding. As someone said in a comment on the below linked video: this is the biggest leap for video games since Half Life 1.

https://youtu.be/d6sVWEu9HWU

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by soylentcola »

cwkoss wrote: post #97
laweijfmvo wrote: post #82

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What makes you think the Republican candidate wouldn't do the same thing? I don't think we've really seen this become a campaign issue yet, if it ever will (for 2024.)

I think public accessibility of AI is a greater threat to humanity than skynet or paperclip maximizer scenarios. Superintelligent 'conscious' AI seems likely to be quite moral out of the box. Advanced amoral AI controlled by greedy capitalists seems like it could quickly exacerbate wealth inequality by orders of magnitude, turning the middle class into serfs using total surveillance to implement authoritarian fascism…

> Call me a derisive cynic, but I think the GOP voter base just isn't intelligent enough to be interested in AI issues

Just wait until someone decides the latest LLM du jour is "woke".

> The Dems have shifted from the party of information freedom to openly embracing censorship and state propaganda in the past decade.

And this has been a common weak point of theirs for longer than that. Nanny-state, "we know what's best" stuff has been a valid criticism of the Democratic side for decades.

I don't know that politicians and the "upper management" types in government have ever been terribly well-versed, interested, or effective when it comes to matters of tech (or anything more specialized, really).

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by zamnos »

visarga wrote: post #62
zamnos wrote: post #42

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By who? The philosophy students are busting a gut at the laughable job we computer scientists are doing, redefining "thinking" and "consciousnesses" from first principles on every HN thread about GPT, as if parts of humanity haven't been pondering and writing books and books about those very questions for centuries, if not millenia. How many GPTs can fit on the head of a pin?

> as if parts of humanity haven't been pondering and writing books and books about those very questions for centuries, if not millenia They have, but unfortunately missed the mark badly with dualism and more recently computational and representational approaches. I am pinning my hopes on 5E's: embodied, embedded, extended, and enacted cognition - this is the closest to reinforcement learning. In my opinion RL is how…

It seems like every thread about GPT, and half the threads not about it is the same.

"ChatGPT might be able to do X, but it can't really think/reason/has a soul/lie"

"How do you define think/reason/has a soul/lie?"

Seems like we could stop going around in circles if we had an ageed upon common vocabulary.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by MichaelZuo »

JieJie wrote: post #99
jjoonathan wrote: post #91

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Human attention doesn't scale. LLMs do. "Git gud" is a losing strategy in aggregate.

We're talking past each other. The whole point of what I was saying is that yes, human attention doesn't scale and that is what is going to save us from a deluge of LLM spam. A billion pieces of fake news or ten, it makes no difference. Humans can only look at one at a time.

Eventually they'll spend 99% of their time on LLM generated stuff, who cares if it's only 1 at a time?

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by snapcaster »

AmericanChopper wrote: post #78
snapcaster wrote: post #24

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Sorry but this comment is just totally wrong. Look into weapons exports that applied to cryptography, google providing android to Huawei, etc. etc. etc. etc. i mean jeez you don't have to look far for counterpoints to what you're saying

How can people (especially on this forum) know that crypto export controls existed, but not know that they were struck down for violating 1A?… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States

I guess we maybe differ here on what would constitute success for suppression. I see it as a "success" because the law stood for so long despite being pretty apparently unconstitutional. It is fair to see it as a failure since it eventually was overturned. Maybe the crux here is I probably agree with you that permanent suppression is impossible but temporary is super doable and temporary can be a fairly large fraction of a human lifetime so I still count it

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by AmericanChopper »

snapcaster wrote: post #106
AmericanChopper wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can people (especially on this forum) know that crypto export controls existed, but not know that they were struck down for violating 1A?… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernstein_v._United_States

I guess we maybe differ here on what would constitute success for suppression. I see it as a "success" because the law stood for so long despite being pretty apparently unconstitutional. It is fair to see it as a failure since it eventually was overturned. Maybe the crux here is I probably agree with you that permanent suppression is impossible but temporary is super doable and temporary can be a fairly large fractio…

I guess that’s an interesting way to backpedal without acknowledging how outright wrong your highly dogmatic comment was. There was a time in the past when there could be some merit to where you’ve chosen to move the goalposts. But there is now, and has been for some time, a higher court precedent that invalidates this position.

Re: Google, Microsoft CEOs Called to AI Meeting at White House

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Post by Kbelicius »

jonhohle wrote: post #75
Mistletoe wrote: post #27

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Why are regulations bad? When there are no regulations the results are usually not pretty. Current big tech dystopia, stock market crash of 1929, UK textile mills worked by children in the Industrial Revolution... Why should we expect AI to not repeat the same abuses and errors?

Unintended consequences. Power surrendered by the people is not easily recovered.

How is someone on HN against innovation.... blows my mind.

There are unintended consequences with innovation too.

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