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Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by rjsw »

mbreese wrote: post #22
goosedragons wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pinebook Pro count? There's also some support for the Thinkpad X13s Snapdragon.

Not for me. I mean, it “works” as in it is a functioning computer, but it’s not really useful as a daily driver machine. Mine is very touchy and build quality-wise, it’s not great. It is great for what you pay, don’t get me wrong. And I’m sure some people could use it daily, but between the battery life and sluggish performance, it’s not really in the same conversation as the Framework model here. I think for me the…

I run NetBSD on my Pinebook Pro, you are not restricted to specific Linux distributions.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by stingraycharles »

rektide wrote: post #77

There's a "Ryzen AI" on these AMD cores that is really a modest sized fpga, supposedly. Linux has been landing some support for interfacing with this- calling it XDNA (on a new "CDX" bus) - but no signs yet that users can program it. Would be a fun thing to get exposed to users. Fingers crossed that actually happens; I could definitely see this being very vendored up, that it ends up only really running a couple pred…

This makes a lot of sense, I was just waiting for their acquisition of Xilinx to materialize in their consumer products in some way. This seems a great way to unlock e.g. some ML potential. The possibilities seem endless.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by zamnos »

prettyStandard wrote: post #90
candiddevmike wrote: post #81

I wish their mainboard became an actual motherboard spec (something like LAPTOP-ATX), it seems like it's proprietary. Would open the door for more folks to build swappable laptop boards.

They seem to be doing everything they can to make it not proprietary. I'm not sure if there's more that they can do.

a couple possibilities off the top of my head, starting with actually working with other vendors, so it's not only them making them. Work on the whole supply chain - including recycling - for these things. do a "buy one give one" type deal to seed the hardware more widely. write a bunch of software for the device so there's even more of a draw to get one of these. develop an ARM board. All of these projects are non-trivial but until they have the sales to support the kind of staying that would require, they'll need more capital first. Know any VCs?

just dumping the specs on the website isn't enough. they need to to actually talk to other vendors and get them involved with the project, and figure out the right financial incentives for them, which won't be easy.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by pca006132 »

stingraycharles wrote: post #102
rektide wrote: post #77

There's a "Ryzen AI" on these AMD cores that is really a modest sized fpga, supposedly. Linux has been landing some support for interfacing with this- calling it XDNA (on a new "CDX" bus) - but no signs yet that users can program it. Would be a fun thing to get exposed to users. Fingers crossed that actually happens; I could definitely see this being very vendored up, that it ends up only really running a couple pred…

This makes a lot of sense, I was just waiting for their acquisition of Xilinx to materialize in their consumer products in some way. This seems a great way to unlock e.g. some ML potential. The possibilities seem endless.

I think AMD already acquired Xilinx?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by whoisthemachine »

I'm waffling on my pre-order because I realized Frameworks don't have touchscreens, which I really enjoy when reading long articles. Kind of wild that they offer all these other features that seem very niche, but a common one these days is absent.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by neogodless »

jacknews wrote: post #86

Where's the framework 'surface'?

The design philosophy of Framework seems to be diametrically opposed to Microsoft's Surface.

If there is a market for modular transformable tablets, is it large enough to cover the expense of research and development?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by ior4uiofrjnev »

rektide wrote: post #93
maztaim wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you expecting to run off all four slots that makes that a dealbreaker?

Expect the unexpected. It doesn't have to be a rational known ask. We are Hackers. We want to be ready for whatever. That day when there's a 4 screen display wall? Ready. Connecting to a thunderbolt NAS, a display, a desktop, and our friends laptop? Ready. "What is the use case" is the deadening soul sucking most un Hackerly thing to ask. Computers are amazing general purpose machines & we celebrate their flexible ut…

A "hacker" is someone who makes something do what it wasn't intended to do. Plugging a high-end laptop into the correct number of monitors is not hacking.

Maybe stick to Intel chipsets if you must have 4 screens. Or maybe cover over the 4th port, and pretend you have 3 fully-functional ports?

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by nrp »

jeffbee wrote: post #66
codedokode wrote: post #30

> If you're upgrading your Framework Laptop to the new Mainboard, remember that you'll need ... a Ryzen-compatible RZ616 or similar WiFi card. Why does WiFi card need to be "compatible" with CPU? Isn't it enough to be compatible with PCI-Express? Or are there backdoors that do not work with Intel-backdoor-compatible WiFi cards?

The Framework wifi card for Intel is an AX201 implementation, which means the only thing on the card is the RF and the rest of the wireless functions are in the Intel SoC. You can't use an AX201 with anything but an Intel platform because of CNVi.

We've used the Intel AX210 on everything except the original 11th Gen pre-built systems which use AX201 and the Chromebook Edition, which uses AX211.

AX210 on Ryzen is a YMMV situation. Neither Intel nor AMD will provide any guidance or support around the combination, and we don't have access to any of the needed source to resolve issues as they come up.

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by dcow »

_V_ wrote: post #99

The questions I always ask: - Does it have atlest two m.2 slots? - Can I have WIFI and WWAN (5G)? - Can this fit 4 RAM sticks? (96-128G RAM) - Does it have a 4k display? (it's 2023, come on!) Still not many computers do offer these parameters :-( I'd love to have Framework laptop if it would offer these parameters.

Can I ask what workloads you’re running where 8TB storage and 64gb ram aren’t enough? On a laptop…

Re: The Framework Laptop 13

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Post by rjsw »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #28
goosedragons wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pinebook Pro count? There's also some support for the Thinkpad X13s Snapdragon.

I have a pinebook. its. a fun toy but the trackpad is trash and there's not much if any HD space so I still use my MBP as a daily driver. I'd happily pay more for a pinebook pro with at least 512 gb of space, 8 gb of ram and a beefier battery. the cpu performance is on the low end but workable.

You can put any size of M.2 SSD you want into the Pinebook Pro. The RAM limit is down to the SoC itself, the next generation laptop would probably use a RK3588 which can address more RAM.
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