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FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by fahadkhan »

lumb63 wrote: post #88

Does anyone have tips on how to watch chess? I got pretty into chess during lockdown. I read several books on the subject, was playing a few hours each day. I had friends who got into it as well, and they would watch the tournaments and high profile matches, but I couldn't enjoy them. I didn't feel like I understood the game enough, and the commentary sometimes went over my head/went by too quickly. Anyone been in th…

I really enjoyed Giri and Caruana's commentary. I can't really understand chess at the WC level but listening to them explain it along side IMs shows that even IMs are in similar a position. Sure they understand more than I do but they miss most of the deeper or sutbler ideas.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by matsemann »

jyscao wrote: post #72
matsemann wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What are they supposed to do, not have a world championship? Perhaps change the format. Carlsen stepped down, because it's too much preparation year after year. And with him being the GOAT, everyone was always preparing defensively and hoping for a blunder, making it somewhat "boring" games (quotes, as in draws doesn't have to be boring).

Carlsen is clearly better than his contemporaries, no doubts about it. But calling the GOAT is a stretch.

Eh, like 2 others that could contend it. You might disagree, but its not a stretch.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by binarymax »

xapata wrote: post #99
binarymax wrote: post #95

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The thing about watching chess that’s different from other games, is that it’s not obvious to inexperienced players when important things happen and why. The only way is to increase your skill level. I played for years before I could appreciate a live game played at the IM or GM level. At tournaments there’s typically a watch room with a board and a proctor that tries different lines and variations on the position. I…

I think many games have important events that aren't obvious to inexperienced players/spectators. In football/soccer, for example, off-the-ball movement is very important, but usually ignored by inexperienced players.

Yes, but the subtleties in games other than chess or go typically don’t impact the game hours later.

For example, understanding why the placement of a piece on move 12 can have serious repercussions on move 42 doesn’t really translate to other games.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by xapata »

binarymax wrote: post #103
xapata wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think many games have important events that aren't obvious to inexperienced players/spectators. In football/soccer, for example, off-the-ball movement is very important, but usually ignored by inexperienced players.

Yes, but the subtleties in games other than chess or go typically don’t impact the game hours later. For example, understanding why the placement of a piece on move 12 can have serious repercussions on move 42 doesn’t really translate to other games.

How about tactical choices like which players to put in which positions, who to guard whom or which zone, etc.? These choices are often made before the game and may only have effects towards the end, when the speed difference between two players becomes larger due to tired legs.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by kzrdude »

hgsgm wrote: post #83
somenameforme wrote: post #77

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Their match was played in November 2018. Here are the classical [1] and rapid [2] rating lists from that time. Fabiano was 12 points behind Magnus in classical, and 91 points behind him in rapid. It's all going to be relative. Obviously Fabiano is extremely good at all forms of chess, but all top players (in any sport) are going to have relative strengths/weaknesses when compared against each other. [1] - https://web…

Classics is an extremely impractical format for ratings, because the games are so long so players can't play many games. It's like Heisenberg Uncertainty.

Yet my impression is that the rapid list is volatile and often not reflecting the reality, the classical rating is better in tune with actual strength

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by kelipso »

sgjohnson wrote: post #87
somenameforme wrote: post #70

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Long World Championship matches and normal tournaments are two very different beasts. Kramnik [convincingly] defeated Kasparov for the world championship in 2000, yet Kasparov was still the indisputably strongest tournament player in the world, and would remain so for the entirety of Kramnik's 6 year reign. Magnus' recent title defenses, except against Ian, have not been convincing. And against Ian, he was largely gi…

> This event showed who the strongest match player in the world is, and as of today - that is Ding Liren. The problem with the current WCC is that it’s very much up for debate, and this is like, your opinion. I don’t think Ding Liren is a better player than Magnus Carlsen. The current title is mostly symbolic. It means “the second best player in the world”.

I genuinely think Ding could beat Magnus is the WCC 14 game format. Magnus does better on tournaments but 14 games against the same player is a different beast and while Magnus has performed well in the past he has also shown plenty of weaknesses in the format.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by ohashi »

somenameforme wrote: post #70
ttyyzz wrote: post #35

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I'd rather have the best current player in there. I thought this WCC was rather pointless.

Long World Championship matches and normal tournaments are two very different beasts. Kramnik [convincingly] defeated Kasparov for the world championship in 2000, yet Kasparov was still the indisputably strongest tournament player in the world, and would remain so for the entirety of Kramnik's 6 year reign. Magnus' recent title defenses, except against Ian, have not been convincing. And against Ian, he was largely gi…

He was undefeated for 10 years and you're rationalizing that he somehow isn't the best player because some other guy once lost in this format? And his undefeated streak over 10 years wasn't convincing enough for you?

That just... doesn't make sense.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by ebiester »

jyscao wrote: post #72
matsemann wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What are they supposed to do, not have a world championship? Perhaps change the format. Carlsen stepped down, because it's too much preparation year after year. And with him being the GOAT, everyone was always preparing defensively and hoping for a blunder, making it somewhat "boring" games (quotes, as in draws doesn't have to be boring).

Carlsen is clearly better than his contemporaries, no doubts about it. But calling the GOAT is a stretch.

Are you saying that he isn't even in the conversation, or that it's too hard to push him past Kasparov, Fischer, and Capablanca relative to his peers?

(I can't reasonably put Morphy in this conversation, and I'm not sure anyone else has an argument.)

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by mark_l_watson »

Congratulations to both players for providing us with so many decisive and interesting games! Particular congratulations to Ding!

I played in the US Chess Open in 1978, but I am not much of a player. I did write the shitty little Chess program that Apple distributed on the Apple II demo cassette tape.

Off topic, but I 100% support Magnus’s decision to do what he enjoys: playing in tournaments and not time spent preparing for world championship matches. Good for him understanding what is most important to him, and acting on it.

Re: FIDE world chess championship decided in rapid tiebreaks

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Post by Bootvis »

vikingerik wrote: post #96
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #12

A lot of people (me included) thought this series was dire for Ding after watching him get crushed a few days ago by his opponent Nepo where Ding visibly froze and was in a state of total mental disarray after he couldn't decide on his move, wasted a ton of time, and ended up making a bad move anyways. Commenters said that this was Nepo's strength, even if he doesn't make the absolute greatest move he makes a good en…

The "Ding froze" assessment from game 7 was the fake-news media meme but wasn't the reality. He explained it after the fact. He knew what he was doing. He thought his position was lost, so he was calculating everything to look for a line to save a draw with perpetual checks / threefold repetition. He felt he had nothing to lose by expending all his time searching for that since he was going to lose anyway if he didn'…

c5 in game 9 by Nepo of the match against Carlsen was not a high variance play but just playing way below his level. All the commentators spotted it instantly.
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