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https://www.albertcory.io/lets-do-have-hindsight "It's a good story. Unfortunately, it's also wrong in almost every way a story can be wrong." Full details at https://web.stanford.edu/dept/SUL/sites/mac/parc.html and there are many other references on the Web about that visit.
yeah well my original point still stands. "PARC was not at all secretive about its work. Its researchers published widely, and there was a regular flow of traffic between PARC and Stanford's computer science community. " as opposed to a military intelligence company where all that would get you fired if not in prison.
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know what you're quoting. I was there, though.
I can't recall the female scientist's name, but I am certain have read an 'oral history' where this specific person, present when Apple people show up, angrily calls up Xerox HQ in east coast to protest and was told, over the phone, to "show them everything".
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't recall the female scientist's name, but I am certain have read an 'oral history' where this specific person, present when Apple people show up, angrily calls up Xerox HQ in east coast to protest and was told, over the phone, to "show them everything".
I don't know which specific oral history, but you're most likely referring to Adele Goldberg. She's mentioned several times that she protested showing Steve Jobs their work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_Goldberg_(computer_scien...
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#104PARC and SRI in the news? what is this, 1993? am I going to see a DECWRL announcement next?
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know what you're quoting. I was there, though.
I can't recall the female scientist's name, but I am certain have read an 'oral history' where this specific person, present when Apple people show up, angrily calls up Xerox HQ in east coast to protest and was told, over the phone, to "show them everything".
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't recall the female scientist's name, but I am certain have read an 'oral history' where this specific person, present when Apple people show up, angrily calls up Xerox HQ in east coast to protest and was told, over the phone, to "show them everything".
I don't know which specific oral history, but you're most likely referring to Adele Goldberg. She's mentioned several times that she protested showing Steve Jobs their work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_Goldberg_(computer_scien...
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
When I hear SRI, I always think of the parapsychology research they did for 20 or so years from ~1970-1990 and their huge clash with the newly founded skeptical organization CSICOP (now CSI) in the late 70's.
Yeah, I wonder how much money they milked out of the DoD on remote viewing and stuff like that.
The other theory I've encountered is that it was cover for ongoing mind control research after MKULTRA had to be wound down.
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HP could probably make some cash by reconstitution WRL and spinning it off.
I wonder if DECWRL's giant megawatt transformer is still entombed under the sidewalk in Palo Alto, and if the daily special includes fried fish, and the rancid grease has returned again. https://milk.com/wall-o-shame/bucket.html
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SRI is where Doug Engelbart worked developed the mouse and windowing interface (among other things) and put together the "Mother of all Demos". SRI where the original ARPANET NIC was, and had various important roles in the development of the net. I really don't think they overestimated their brand, they just talk to their likely customers. (I worked at PARC, never at SRI, but I had many friends from SRI, and there wa…
- Mouse, of course - Magnetic check ink - ERMA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Recording_Machine,_... More importantly: Stanford, SRI, and the high signal of connected people in Palo Alto created lots of inventions and companies. Sports metaphor: when they're on the team, the team scores more indirectly by their presence. Palo Alto-Stanford has been a modern "Venice" in terms of center of business-meets-acad…
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know which specific oral history, but you're most likely referring to Adele Goldberg. She's mentioned several times that she protested showing Steve Jobs their work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adele_Goldberg_(computer_scien...
She was at the Computer History Museum 50th anniversary of Smalltalk event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loEREmEPEOY
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"When Stewart Brand came into PARC and there was a book Cybernetics 2? [II cybernetic frontiers], half of it was about the "secret" company and Stewart had pictures of PARC and so there had been publicity that I guess hadn’t been properly signed off on. And so there had been a bit of a “You don’t get to publish for awhile” period. I think Alan took it too seriously. He didn’t like having his hand slapped. We did start publishing again more in the ’76 timeframe including the personal dynamic media paper that Alan and I did for IEEE Computer Software. I wanted to go to corporate and ask for permission and it was a little risky because you didn’t know what would come back. There’s no reason for them to say yes.
Lucky for me, between the time I suggested it and actually asking, Xerox’s venture group had bought a lot of equity in a little fledgling computer company that wasn’t doing very well called Apple Computer and they had arranged for the Apple executives and then later the Lisa programming team, to come for a visit.
I kind of parlayed that into, “Well you’re willing to give it away. You’re not interested.” And I wrote this motivator about why we should be able to publish it all because we were planning to write a book and we were planning to have this community implementation event. I think it went to one of the principals at the venture group who then asked Jeff Rulifson his opinion. Jeff was on some special leave from PARC to corporate and he wrote “Oh sure, publish all this”. So I had it [the permission] on paper."
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I don't recall hearing about this Xerox venture group and its "lot of equity" in Apple. But ..
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"Xerox had had an active CVC program since the 1960s, operating an internally managed fund that invested in some of the most legendary figures in Silicon Valley, including Raymond Kurzweil and Steve Jobs. Kurzweil got his start in technology when Xerox invested in his first company, Kurzweil Applied Intelligence Inc., in 1982, to develop a computer that could transcribe spoken English. The idea behind the investment was to create technology that would increase demand for Xerox’s printing products when it ultimately hit the market.
When Apple released its revolutionary Macintosh computer, some observers claimed that it had commercialized technologies first developed at Xerox PARC, such as the mouse, windows, and icons, even dating the origin of the supposed copying to a 1979 visit to the lab by Jobs and other Apple employees — the tour is considered a seminal event in Silicon Valley lore. Although the accusation that Apple outright copied its ideas for user interface from Xerox is generally refuted today, the revelations stung Xerox’s management. The company was eventually spurred into rethinking its CVC program in an effort to better capitalize on the company’s languishing in-house technologies."
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