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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by alphabetting »

balls187 wrote: post #82
ksec wrote: post #36

This is basically Samsung asking Google to pay up. Google needs to pay Apple / iOS for Default Search Engine, and paying Samsung for staying on Android with Google Search. Basically Google is being squeezed left and right. So the only way to increase revenue or profits to satisfy the money they spend on Apple and Samsung? More Ads on Youtube and Google Search. The more Ads they serve, the worse UX they have. All whil…

I’d bet Microsoft will gladly match all of Google’s offers here.

Just the payment to Apple would be significantly more than their 2022 search revenue. I wouldn't be shocked but it would be a pretty big gamble.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by ant6n »

egeozcan wrote: post #45
tapoxi wrote: post #3

What's Sundar's goal for Google? They seem to be aimless since he took the helm.

If gods of chaos decide give a future where google completely gets broken up a chance, I'd be massively pissed if someone doesn't detach google reader and bring it online just to make a point .

Well, blogs are dead so bringing back reader won’t be all that useful.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Zigurd »

pjmlp wrote: post #92
Zigurd wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Android's early commercialization actively encouraged OEMs to "customize" Android for at least two reasons: Android product maturity was questionable, and what else are phone OEM product managers going to do? Now that "Google experience" is generally cleaner and better than OEMs' customizations, Google is struggling to put the toothpaste back in the tube. It is very damaging to Android as a product because OEMs are s…

Pixels hardly get much more updates, despite Google.

That's one reason I like Pixels. The camera software is better than other phones, too. Unfucking a Samsung phone's default set of apps is annoying, though I admit I have not had to do that in a while.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by rob74 »

garganzol wrote: post #44
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

> better desktop OS > Google It wouldn't be an OS, it would be a casino full of flashy ads. The worst company for anything business critical. Ads - yes, email - ok, anything else - never. They get away with Android because it's mostly a consumer market.

Did you use Windows recently? https://uk.pcmag.com/migrated-3765-windows-10/132748/how-to-...

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by Hippocrates »

eoooooooo wrote: post #14

Some interesting dynamics at play here if true. Google basically maintains Android to get people to use Google services on it, so Samsung switching to Bing would eliminate Google's incentive to develop Android. Samsung is also by FAR the largest Android OEM and holds almost as much power over the platform as Google just from the sheer amount of Android devices that they ship.

Pretty interesting when put that way. Why DID google develop android??? Oh yeah.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by dathinab »

Soon we have a Microsoft more power full then ever but less controlled and constrained by anti monopoly regulation then ever.

- after google search degraded for a while bing is competive

- MS has much influence and stack in (not really open) OpenAI

- MS has with LinkedLn a relevant social network, sure it's work focused but increasingly used for non work usecases

- MS controls 2 of the 6 relevant gaming platforms (XBox, PC -- the others are Switch, Playstation, iOS and Android), they happen to also be 2 of the 3 AAA gaming platforms (XBox, PC -- the other is Playstation)

- MS owns a lot of game production

- MS has the go to email solution for companies Outlook as part of Office365

- MS has what some call the best Calendar/schedule Meeting app, also part of Office365

- MS has the go to online meeting platform for companies (teams as part of Office365, through it succks)

- MS has a competitive company chatting platform

- MS competes with Google and Apple in the Cloud

- MS has a not so competitive ad platform

- MS has a semi competitive voice assistant which if integrated with ChatGPT tech could very well become very competitive very fast

- MS doesn't have a phone OS, but a lot control over phone through MDM features integrated into teams/outlook etc.

- MS has one of the main browsers (edge) with a lot of people happily explicitly opting for it or being coerced or tricked into using it (they lost that in the past but regained it). While it pains me its likely more relevant then Firefox by now.

- MS sells PC/Laptop like hardware successfully, but not that competitive

- one of the best standard consumer ergonomic keyboards is from MS

- they still have one of the most widely used presentation and note taking applications

- their database system is still around and sells, not sure why

- they control both of the some of the most widely used IDEs (VS and VSCode)

- they have some experience with AR/VR through I'm not sure about the competitiveness of current products from them

- they made some of the main reasons why people tried out Linux go away by having WSL

- .... I most likely forgot a lot

I.e. all in all: MS is EVERYWHERE with constant faster growing power and control all through the tech space. If it keeps up that way MS will soon be both more powerful then Google and then it ever have been. If they had managed to properly land their phone OS things would be really scary now.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by KingOfCoders »

oldgradstudent wrote: post #69
nus07 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sundar is a McKinsey consultant who is very pleasant and agreeable and can keep a boat steady while maximizing shareholder return. Unfortunately there isn’t much innovation happening . Google needs a Larry Page or Musk like character back at the helm.

> while maximizing shareholder return. That's not maximizing shareholder return. That's locally maximizing shareholder return.

"That's locally maximizing shareholder return"

As shareholders jump from ship to ship, there is nothing beyond short term shareholder return.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by cma »

bowsamic wrote: post #49
piyush_soni wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's exactly what I think. I personally also find him very uninspiring, it looks like he's basically just 'maintaining' the company on auto-pilot mode. No out of the world new ideas, and now the company is losing on the very field they were seemingly far-far ahead than the rest of the world.

10 years ago, Google was one of the most exciting companies in the world to me, culminating in that amazing Google Chrome comic https://www.scottmccloud.com/googlechrome/ Their products and software seemed genuinely inspiring. Now, it seems to just be maintenance or death. Seemingly happens with all once-loved tech companies to some degree. It's quite sad but I guess time moves on. Totally self-inflicted for them tho…

DeepMind's stuff has all been impressive.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by seydor »

dougmwne wrote: post #73
seydor wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

google still owns android

An extremely second rate phone platform compared to iOS where the customers don’t spend nearly as much money and they have minimal control over their hardware partners.

.. which owns 80% of the market. Maybe iOS users spend more on hardware & apps but everyone spends money online shopping
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