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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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People were so quick to assume the nature of the crime even when no info about a possible suspect had been publicly released. Check the quote tweets to Bob's 2019 tweet about "recognize that your black friends face challenges you don’t" https://www.twitter.com/crazybob/status/1181668744247930880/...

The comments on that tweet are sickening. And people will say with a straight face that there are no more race problems in this country except wokeism.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#102
post #69
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was really surreal, reading through that thread and watching everyone assume they knew exactly what happened when there had literally been no public information given out about the suspect.

My wife asked me "how do we know the killer was a homeless guy?". I could only reply - "good point". I think a part of it is people are fed up with how the city has deteriorated and no amount of gaslighting will change that fact. So, when he was killed it seemed like just another thing in the decline of the city.

I thought the reason was that someone had looked at CCTV footage of the event, and saw someone who looked homeless. Of course, most of us software engineers proudly go for the "clean homeless" look.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#103
post #64

People were so quick to assume the nature of the crime even when no info about a possible suspect had been publicly released. Check the quote tweets to Bob's 2019 tweet about "recognize that your black friends face challenges you don’t" https://www.twitter.com/crazybob/status/1181668744247930880/...

Shit, I wish I hadn't read those. I didn't need that today.

I would recommend just never going on Twitter, for any reason. People are less racist on 4chan these days.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#104
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This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

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Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#105
post #64

People were so quick to assume the nature of the crime even when no info about a possible suspect had been publicly released. Check the quote tweets to Bob's 2019 tweet about "recognize that your black friends face challenges you don’t" https://www.twitter.com/crazybob/status/1181668744247930880/...

do you see all the racist replies..

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#106
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't been to SF and therefore don't have an opinion. How is one story really highlighting something? This is just one anecdote where it wasn't what people expected, it's not proof they're wrong. (I have no idea if they are, it's just a bad argument)

The story contradicts what so many here took as a given, that Lee was a victim of stochastic violence in SF. The highlighting is in revealing that so many were wrong in applying their biases to the original news, and then using that to leverage into e.g. condemnations of the city in general.

I mean we all know the reality was that people who don’t like the very liberal politics of SF were reasoning backwards to get to the “liberal politics causes murder” confirmation they crave. I don’t think anyone even pretended that condemnation of the city was a new conclusion for them.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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So sorting by Violent Crime (Total), we see San Francisco is 37th out of the 100 listed.

Citing murder rates (and ignoring other crimes) is one of the preferred tactics of people who want to say that big cities have low crime rates. Police in big cities go after big crimes like murders, but tend to ignore "lesser" crimes, so as a result, gangsters and other career criminals stick to those lesser crimes, and generally do a lot more of them.

It’s the same in SF, where the most visible crimes by far are not murder, but smash and grabs and shoplifting.

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#108
The SF-is-a-hellhole narrative is compelling, but the report that Lee was not the victim of a random crime shouldn't have been surprising. The FBI says 40+% of murders are committed by a family member or acquaintance, and 10% by total strangers:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

Re: Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

#109
post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

The number of high profile tech bros on Twitter using the death to further their own views was disgraceful. SF may have big issues but using someone’s murder to further your political beliefs is horrible. I’m sure we won’t hear any retraction though.

Watching from outside, the whole "Tech Bros vs. Woke Hippies" framing is just nuts. It's at most a local politics dispute over control over the SF city government. And yet it's spilled over into all kinds of radicalized global thinking. People like pg and Garry are out there on twitter acting like the nutjobs trying to deny their startup workers housing and teach their kids about colonialism as a history paradigm are the Greatest Threat To Free Speech Worldwide.

Is it time now to maybe take a deep breath and think about maybe calling a truce? The hippies can be rough to live with but really they aren't so bad. I know a bunch.

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