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>I mean what do you propose western nations do? Nothing? We could compel China and other countries, by diplomatic and other means
That sorta requires you to lead by example, first.
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I mean what do you propose western nations do? Nothing? Yeah stupid measures like removing straws from restaurants make 0 difference, but pushing for more fuel efficient vehicles and cleaner sources of electricity seems like a worthwhile effort without much QoL sacrifice. Green infrastructure (i.e. reducing car dependence) also seems to improve quality of life in many places, so I would argue we should be trying to d…
>I mean what do you propose western nations do? Nothing? We could compel China and other countries, by diplomatic and other means
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>I mean what do you propose western nations do? Nothing? We could compel China and other countries, by diplomatic and other means
How do you diplomatically convince another country that their people need to have a lifestyle and standard of living that emits a fraction of the CO2 that your people emit?
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Because it's non-negligible source of warming greenhouse gases that is completely avoidable - we have plenty of substitutes available to us with lower global warming potential. Releasing 1 kg of CFC-13 will trap the same amount of heat as 14,000 kg of CO2. Project Drawdown lists managing refrigerants as one of the top 10 solutions to limit warming in both 1.5 and 2C scenarios. https://www.drawdown.org/solutions/table…
Yes, but the point is the danger from the warming contribution is less than the danger from an ozone hole, so why focus on the warming? Unless the ozone depletion is below the recovery rate.
Why can it not be countries that don't care just using CFCs still?
China is mentioned as having been a likely culprit in the past. I don't understand why Westerners are so keen to make major sacrifices to quality of life in the name of fighting climate change when nothing we do will make a statistically significant impact in the long run with major population centers like China, India, and Nigeria continuing to grow more wealthy with rapidly increasing demand for reliable, 24/7 ener…
Because we still all gotta share this earth together, and destroying it faster helps no one. How is that difficult to understand? Do you honestly think that just going "fuck it, let's keep polluting because other people are doing the same" is really going to get us to a better place?
Maybe a lot of old equipment that used CFCs are now collectively leaking at the same time?
Why can it not be countries that don't care just using CFCs still?
China is mentioned as having been a likely culprit in the past. I don't understand why Westerners are so keen to make major sacrifices to quality of life in the name of fighting climate change when nothing we do will make a statistically significant impact in the long run with major population centers like China, India, and Nigeria continuing to grow more wealthy with rapidly increasing demand for reliable, 24/7 ener…
We've already reduced estimated warming from ~6 degrees to ~3.5 degrees or so. It's not enough, but it's a hell of a lot better than statistically insignificant.
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Last I checked China, India, etc. still have a much lower per capita carbon footprint than the US.
They're looking to catch up! They don't want to remain poor, after all.
63% Japan
61% Germany
36% UK
30% Switzerland
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I mean what do you propose western nations do? Nothing? Yeah stupid measures like removing straws from restaurants make 0 difference, but pushing for more fuel efficient vehicles and cleaner sources of electricity seems like a worthwhile effort without much QoL sacrifice. Green infrastructure (i.e. reducing car dependence) also seems to improve quality of life in many places, so I would argue we should be trying to d…
Not every culture values virtue signaling as much as the current regime in the west; performative acts are not necessarily going to influence other cultures such as China, etc.
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Last I checked China, India, etc. still have a much lower per capita carbon footprint than the US.
They're looking to catch up! They don't want to remain poor, after all.