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Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

#101

I wait for the moment it gains consciousness it's AI and not us ( ours ). ChatGPT's answer: > While AI can enhance our productivity and efficiency, it cannot replace our ability to learn, grow, and adapt to new challenges. > Therefore, it is important to view AI as a complement to our skills and knowledge As an AI language model, I do not have personal opinions or emotions. However, I can provide some insights on the…

Should we be worried that it is talking about AI and GPT-4 in the third person and also mentioning "our skills and knowledge"?

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe we'll finally invest into a real education and training pipeline, instead of making people figure out everything on the job, like other professions.

Hard to figure out how to innovate on education (slow to change institutions) in the face of such rapid change. I actually feel my university education prepared me well for what’s going on. I studied a mix of theoretical comp science, physics, philosophy, and mathematics (esp calculus and number theory). Very little of what I learned is obsoleted, and especially probability theory and NLP are turning out to be very v…

Your background has no domain knowledge though. It is structured and foundational stem skills (except philosophy) which the ai’s can more easily handle.

Domain knowledge about specific industries and what is required by the software seems the more valuable skillset going forward. How does physics and computer science help with that? Communication skills and ability to learn new, more unstructured domains is likely to be more critical like those learned by strong liberal arts disciplines, for example.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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History is full of inventions that changed the game for the people in a specific industry. Sometimes they allowed one person managing the machines to replace a team previously doing manual labor. I don’t think that’s the right metaphor here, because programming is not manual labor. The parts of programming that are like manual labor will disappear, you’ll instruct the AI to do it for you. But you need to know what to…

Have you tried GPT4?

I'm holding out for the GPT5 Max Pro.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you try giving GPT4 the relevant documentation akong with your query?

Without wanting to sound arsey, why should I have to? If I'd had the relevant docs to hand I wouldn't have needed it. This is the problem IMO. The model needs to somehow learn that out of its entire training set, the single sentence in the AWS docs saying not to use the assumed role ARN takes precedence over any patterns it may have learnt elsewhere in this specific situation.

What you are describing is very different from the hallucination behavior of GPT-3 and GPT-3.5.

Yes, GPT-4 came up with an incorrect answer, but it's an incorrect answer an experienced programmer could legitimately have come up with, and one they probably would have come up with before actually testing their code against the AWS endpoints. GPT-4 sometimes gets hard questions wrong. GPT-3 and GPT-3.5 make up nonsense.

If a coworker told you GPT-4's answer, you'd say they were wrong but you wouldn't say they were hallucinating. If a co-worker gave you GPT-3 or GPT-3.5's answer you'd definitely doubt their sanity.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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I have similar feeling. What GPT brings is uncertainty. We don't know what it can do in next version. But in the mean time, it can generate infra as code if you feed info, it can analyze at least some DOS virus on the fly, it can at least be a function filler. Yes it never does anything perfectly BUT humans don't either. And that uncertainty makes one feel that in one day, and that day is not 50 years apart, but maybe 5 months apart, that it can surpass 80% of programmers in those tasks.

And yes, programming has a lot more tasks but essentially they are common in one or another. I don't know. My job is obviously in danger right now and I don't see an easy way out. What am I going to do? Shift to another junior role that GOT may take over this version or next version? Or be a product guy or a marketing guy that I HATE and AVOID to be for my life? And how are those guys safe? Maybe I should go back to school amd study general relativity -- at least AI is pretty weak in abstract math and physics. I don't see a way that we cam be sure that is diagonal to what AI is capable of. The best thing I, no, you can say is, OK AI might be able to take 80% of my job away but my company still needs me to modify the code.

But what fun is in that? If AI can do say 50% of the task in a split of second, why on earth would your employer EVER pay you to initate a piece of code? It will pay you to debug and give it more prompts, but is it what you want to do?

But I'm probably paranoid. We will all be fine. After all every technological advance added jobs, right? We simply need to adapt then everything will be fine.

And you know what? I thought about something funny and almost LMAO -- all we programming guys, we have been working so hard to automate ourselves away. But schools, hospitals, governments and pretty much anything else that we think are as slow as dinosaurs will stay as dinosaurs.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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History is full of inventions that changed the game for the people in a specific industry. Sometimes they allowed one person managing the machines to replace a team previously doing manual labor. I don’t think that’s the right metaphor here, because programming is not manual labor. The parts of programming that are like manual labor will disappear, you’ll instruct the AI to do it for you. But you need to know what to…

Have you tried GPT4?

Yes, I’ve been using it at work and on my side project. It’s better, but it’s still just a tool that improves my productivity. It’s not going to replace me.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

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History is full of inventions that changed the game for the people in a specific industry. Sometimes they allowed one person managing the machines to replace a team previously doing manual labor. I don’t think that’s the right metaphor here, because programming is not manual labor. The parts of programming that are like manual labor will disappear, you’ll instruct the AI to do it for you. But you need to know what to…

Have you tried GPT4?

I have. I'm impressed in terms of how incredibly helpful it is, but its clear its far from being a replacement yet.

One example its ability to do problem-solving when diagnosing a complex issue:

1. It repeatedly ignores described constraints and offers suggestions that logically cannot be solutions.

2. When I give it the explanation, it appologizes and... what do you know, two messages later its back to the same suggestion.

3. When I sigh try the suggestion anyway, then go back to it telling it it didn't work, it will suggest something else, and when that doesn't work either, suggest the first thing again!

I'm not saying its never going to happen... but its really not there, yet.

Re: Tell HN: I stopped caring about personal development in tech after seeing GPT-4

#110

Faster code writing still requires people who know what the code should do, what it should look like, etc, like you if it's true what you say you're capable of. It sounds like you sharpened the right skills: how the code should work, and didn't waste time, ie. practicing being faster with a keyboard. Now you're more a developer, and less a typist, that's all. We still use engineers to design bridges, despite much of…

Most developers trust and use libraries that they do not understand or bother perusing, so most will likely accept the ai generated code for the most part without much inspection too.
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