Anyone have experience running Debian or Guix System on a Framework laptop?
Framework Laptop 16
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Re: Framework Laptop 16
#102I'm thinking of my next laptop. I only use it for work (programmer) plus maybe play movies. I have no interest in games. I don't like Windows, and am so-so about Mac, so that probably leaves Ubuntu, which I already use outside of my day job. Are these the kinds of laptops I should buy? Or are there other recommendations?
These are probably fine. I went with a System76 Linux laptop in 2020 and it's doing awesomely still. Love it.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#103Finally, a proper screen size instead of toy-level 13 inches. You cannot code on a 13-inch display (unless you have eagle's eyes and use tiny font) and it feels like the only use for 13-inch laptop is to watch videos and photos on social network sites while sitting in a cafe which makes it a toy, not a real laptop for work (but Apple seems to be selling such toy laptops successfully).
By the way the current trend is to install wide, but low height screens. What's the use of such screens? For coding, reading articles or working with documents height is more important than width, but manufacturers lower the height and extend the width.
Regarding keyboard layout, it is designed poorly: it has small Up/Down keys (easy to hit the wrong key) and it doesn't have Page Up/Down and End/Home keys which are necessary for coding or working with documents (but it has useless CapsLock key). What is the intended use of the keyboard? To post short messages on social network sites. They seem to copy the layout from toy laptops without much thinking about the target audience. They claim that "Whether you’re a gamer, developer, heavy Linux user, creator, or have other performance-demanding work, the Framework Laptop 16 is built to be customized to your needs.". No, your keyboard doesn't match the needs of those audiences (except for gamers and vi users who can program even on a calculator).
Also, many non-Latin based languages have more that 26 letters, but the keyboard doesn't offer additional keys for those letters, and two additional keys to switch to Latin and non-Latin layout. Nobody seems to care about this. Not Apple, not Framework, nor ordinary laptop vendors do not want to adapt keyboards to non-Latin languages and think that 26 keys should be enough for everyone.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#104One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical.
Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys?
ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#105Finally, a proper screen size instead of toy-level 13 inches. You cannot code on a 13-inch display (unless you have eagle's eyes and use tiny font) and it feels like the only use for 13-inch laptop is to watch videos and photos on social network sites while sitting in a cafe which makes it a toy, not a real laptop for work (but Apple seems to be selling such toy laptops successfully). By the way the current trend is…
> You cannot code on a 13-inch display
When I was young and poor, I used to code on an Asus EeePC with a 9" screen and half sized keyboard. It wasn't ideal but actually, it was fine.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#106Framework have a very ... localization-interested website, that can be confusing some times in my opinion. The link here seems to go to the French (hence the /fr/fr/ in the URI) version of the blog post, but I still got to see it in English. Confusing. Here [1] is the non-localized version. [1]: https://frame.work/blog/introducing-the-framework-laptop-16
I guess its because they didn't translate the article into french. What I also find confusing is that when you change the language, the controls are still in the original language. I can guess what button is for changing the language but still not a great design.
Yeah... considering there are good browser APIs and most server platforms support language matching, that they could relatively easily deliver language content without specific language endpoints. Not that it's easy, just completely doable if it's a significant concern.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#107Finally, a proper screen size instead of toy-level 13 inches. You cannot code on a 13-inch display (unless you have eagle's eyes and use tiny font) and it feels like the only use for 13-inch laptop is to watch videos and photos on social network sites while sitting in a cafe which makes it a toy, not a real laptop for work (but Apple seems to be selling such toy laptops successfully). By the way the current trend is…
> You cannot code on a 13-inch display
That’s news to me, I’ve been doing it for years.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#108I hope it's possible to fit a pointing stick (TrackPoint) keyboard within that 3.7mm, and that someone first- or third-party makes one. I'm keen to try replacing my ThinkPad with a Framework as soon as that's available, but not before.
Years using the trackpoint gave me carpal tunnel. Try not to use it exclusively.
Maybe don't generalize your personal experience. Working with almost anything can give you carpal tunnel. Is there any evidence carpal tunnel is more likely then with any other input method?
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#109One of my favorite things for keyboards is the ThinkPad feature where the Page Up and Page Down is above the Left and Right key. I don't understand why others don't do this, its so practical. Specially in cases like this, there is just an empty space there. Why not put 2 more keys? ThinkPad also makes them full sized keys, that would be even better. But just having empty space? Why?
Hadn't really thought about it... kind of gotten used to Fn+up/down on most laptops. Though I rarely use a laptop except while traveling and that's usually on vacation, so limited use. At home, laptop for work is docked, and my personal doesn't get used much.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
I bought mine for like 4 bucks. Digital license linked to my account :>
Care to explain how?
Grey market key resellers, apparently using volume licensing. It's a roll of the dice whether they'll stay valid, possibly because the same key is resold repeatedly, or Microsoft blacklists them.