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Block loses 20% of value as Hindenburg Research alleges fraud

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Re: Block loses 20% of value as Hindenburg Research alleges fraud

#101

I missed the memo, which led to a few minutes trying to remember which blockchain company was named "block" but: why not cube? Or Hypercube?

My impression: because Jack Dorsey is a cryptobro and the rebranding was done in December 2021 when Blockchain was all the hype.

Of course, then came Terra Luna, FTX, and all that shebang, and Block wasn't the hot name it was anymore.

Re: Block loses 20% of value as Hindenburg Research alleges fraud

#102
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Always has been...

To shoot someone in the back, first you have to get behind them.

Well, it's easy when they blindly rush forward without checking for a looney-tunes looking cliff...

See [1] for example, where Hindenburg was able to acquire a debit card for "Donald Trump" with a fake ID.

[1] https://hindenburgresearch.com/block/

Re: Block loses 20% of value as Hindenburg Research alleges fraud

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that some cryptocoin is used by some large but unseen group of people is often talked about but nobody presents the data that show that this group really exists. Is there some real data that shows that this large group actually exists or is it all speculation?

The vast majority of the cash changers in Istanbul have tether and BTC logos. There’s a similar situation in Lebanon with BTC’s near ubiquity in remittances. Just because it doesn’t impact your life doesn’t mean this use isn’t self evident elsewhere.

And a large number of cigarette shops and bodegas in the US have lottery tickets. Is there a clear reason why we assume it's for remittances and not for gambling? I know in South Asia for example most of it is indeed for degenerate gambling/"get rich overnight" schemes.

Re: Block loses 20% of value as Hindenburg Research alleges fraud

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be interested in the percentage of 1. Bitcoin (crypto) users who (only) have BC because they hate fiat money 2. Users who have BC because they need it for illegal gains 3. Opportunistic investors 4. Web3ers I have the unsubstantiated feeling that 1 is overstated.

5. People for whom fiat money is impractical for one or more reasons This category is way larger than people in well-banked Western circles realise. Bitcoin (crypto) is one of the easiest ways for people affected by capital controls or sanctions (on the financial institutions they use, or the country they were unlucky enough to be born in) to freely move their (legally earned, and taxed) money across borders. Since o…

So these people want to avoid law, by avoiding paying taxes or fees of their capital. Which is precisely #2 from the parent poster - "Users who have BC because they need it for illegal gains".

I'm not assigning a moral value to this. I'm just commenting that law avoidance is law avoidance, even if you really really want or need to do it.

Tokens are useless in comparison to monay for almost any activity, except for law avoidance. For this task they are amazing.

Re: Block loses 20% of value as Hindenburg Research alleges fraud

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The idea that some cryptocoin is used by some large but unseen group of people is often talked about but nobody presents the data that show that this group really exists. Is there some real data that shows that this large group actually exists or is it all speculation?

The vast majority of the cash changers in Istanbul have tether and BTC logos. There’s a similar situation in Lebanon with BTC’s near ubiquity in remittances. Just because it doesn’t impact your life doesn’t mean this use isn’t self evident elsewhere.

This ought to be a verifiable claim, thanks to Street View. I looked around the airport[0] and in[1] various[2] streets[3]. The images are from last year, but they don’t show cash changers with either tether or BTC logos. I did end up finding one[4] after searching through seven, although it is dedicated to cryptocurrencies (it was next to a cash exchange, it isn't one), and its website states this[5]:

> Is exchanging cryptocurrency legal in Turkey? Yes, it is legal to buy, sell or trade your crypto money as long as crypto money is not used to pay goods or services.

They also mention they only pay out in USD. That makes it sound like the only possible use is for a Russian to convert Rubles to BTC in their home country, exchange BTC with USD there, then go next door to exchange their USD with Lira. That is so heavily tied to sanctions that it can explain why actual cash exchanges don’t support cryptocurrencies.

[0]: https://www.google.com/maps/@40.9774298,28.820529,2a,75y,324...

[1]: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0080274,28.9761991,3a,15y,34...

[2]: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0166738,28.9509347,3a,88.5y,...

[3]: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0150099,28.9752954,3a,25.8y,...

[4]: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0086973,28.9713568,3a,60y,64...

[5]: https://nakitcoins.com/en

Re: Block loses 20% of value as Hindenburg Research alleges fraud

#107
post #89
post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s an attack on criminals, not non-wealthy people

But the attack is biased towards only the non-wealthy subset of criminals (par for the course), ipso facto it is an attack on the non-wealthy.

But the attack is biased towards only the non-wealthy subset of criminals

Oh no! Please, oh please, let's protect these fiscally impoverished criminals. What horrible social injustice!

Good grief. Just give it a rest please? Ridiculous.

Re: Block loses 20% of value as Hindenburg Research alleges fraud

#109

> Dorsey [...] told investors about the large number of songs named after Cash App and described how music had become a way to share with others how valuable the app is to them personally, providing them with “so much utility.” > A review of songs mentioning Cash App shows that the artists are not generally rapping about Cash App’s smooth user interface and robust software integration toolkit. > Instead, lyrics descr…

Rappers rap about crime because crime is a big part of their culture and so it gets glorified in their music.

Re: Block loses 20% of value as Hindenburg Research alleges fraud

#110

I agree there's a need for short sellers to keep the market in check, but this quote, also listed as the number one issue, doesn't really sit well with me: > Misleading investors by overstating its genuine user counts, with former employees estimating as much as three quarters are “fake, involved in fraud, or…additional accounts tied to a single individual.” Do they really know? Or is it just a feeling that they have…

The report is quite long and detailed
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