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Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

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It doesn't look like they are building risk into the playgrounds, as much as they are building the feeling of risk. which isn't necessarily a bad thing. This seems like a compromise that should be seen as better, or at least acceptable to both extremes of parents. "The maximum fall height in the Triitopia structure’s spiderweb is 1.8 metres." That's not a risky fall, if you're falling onto a rope net. Also, "The Trii…

I wouldn’t want to fall 1.8m and land awkwardly, even if it might not permanently injure me.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#102
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would you dismiss any evidence of generational changes in the way children are raised, in the aggregate? Or that changes in the way children are raised don’t affect the child?

I would love to see evidence that showed a measurable difference of an adult's behavior or personality based on the playground (or trophy policy) they grew up with.

From what I know there's a fair bit of research linking improved motor skills and social skills with later academic performance. Here are some quotes from a review article[1]:

Research presented in this section indicates that removing play from early childhood classrooms may actually undermine intended achievement-oriented outcomes.

Play enhances attention, memory, self-regulation, and overall academic achievement throughout childhood. In short, physical play is necessary for learning.

Young children’s motor development has been found to be a powerful predictor of cognitive abilities in the elementary years.

A good playground will be exciting and thus promote spontaneous play, a creative process, and it will be challenging which help kids develop their motor skills.

A bad playground will be dull and lack challenges, thus not making kids develop those skills in the same way.

Thus it seems quite likely that the quality of the playgrounds available at their kindergarten, school and local area can have an effect into adulthood.

[1]: https://www.easternct.edu/center-for-early-childhood-educati...

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#103
Until recently we still had a concrete-made children slide [1] here in Romania, built in pure brutalist style back in the '60s. There was also one built in my home-town, and I guess in other towns throughout Eastern Europe.

There's no way anything like that could ever get built again, and yet, we managed to don't kill ourselves as kids when we were sliding on them.

[1] https://www.cotidianul.ro/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/19/tobo...

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#104

These things are ubiquitous in Berlin: https://stage.berliner-seilfabrik.com/wp-content/uploads/201... They're not actually that high to an adult, but I have childhood memories of these seeming somewhat tall and scary. On an average one, a young child can fall 4-6 times their own height (but not straight, you'll get buffered by the structure as you go down).

> They're not actually that high to an adult Not the ones we have here in Croatia : https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/width960/57918118_91NXEE...

Looks very similar to one we have in Karlsruhe, Germany :) https://mein.toubiz.de/api/v1/media/6d3f180e-13b0-4346-b142-...

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#106

I saw some of this German company’s equipment in Memphis, Tennessee—very cool, and quite different from most U.S. playgrounds: https://www.richter-spielgeraete.de/en/playground-equipment/...

Crazy, this is one of their main playgrounds they are responsible for:

https://www.garten-landschaft.de/guenter-beltzig-nachruf/

The page is an obituary because the designer died in December.

The video is in English.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#107

These things are ubiquitous in Berlin: https://stage.berliner-seilfabrik.com/wp-content/uploads/201... They're not actually that high to an adult, but I have childhood memories of these seeming somewhat tall and scary. On an average one, a young child can fall 4-6 times their own height (but not straight, you'll get buffered by the structure as you go down).

Not ubiquitous, but certainly common in Australia.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#108
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see evidence that showed a measurable difference of an adult's behavior or personality based on the playground (or trophy policy) they grew up with.

From what I know there's a fair bit of research linking improved motor skills and social skills with later academic performance. Here are some quotes from a review article[1]: Research presented in this section indicates that removing play from early childhood classrooms may actually undermine intended achievement-oriented outcomes. Play enhances attention, memory, self-regulation, and overall academic achievement th…

> Research presented in this section indicates that removing play from early childhood classrooms may actually undermine intended achievement-oriented outcomes.

That is absolutely not the same as having an overly safe or "soft" playgrounds.

Re: Learning the ropes: why Germany is building risk into its playgrounds (2021)

#110

These things are ubiquitous in Berlin: https://stage.berliner-seilfabrik.com/wp-content/uploads/201... They're not actually that high to an adult, but I have childhood memories of these seeming somewhat tall and scary. On an average one, a young child can fall 4-6 times their own height (but not straight, you'll get buffered by the structure as you go down).

> They're not actually that high to an adult Not the ones we have here in Croatia : https://fastly.4sqi.net/img/general/width960/57918118_91NXEE...

Then there's this in Zagreb (Maksimir), which wasn't intended for climbing ever, but we as kids certainly did it

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Park_Mak...

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