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Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

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#101
I understand why Duolingo is concentrating on what makes them money and what the most learned languages are.

But as someone interested in "less popular" languages I don't like it. Even the Chinese course hasn't been expanded since it came out. And Finnish probably never will be expanded, since it was entirely volunteer driven and they don't do that at all anymore.

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#102
post #94

Ugh. You can just feel the management layers in this. Management wants to do something with AI. It's so hot right now. Your product guy got an idea for a cool new feature. Tests show that users actually like it. It's helpful. Great. But now you need to explain how you made Duolingo money. First idea, your product has a paid tier, add it as a feature to the paid tier too boost paid user retention and new signups. Grea…

I mean, sure, that's more or less how a company operates. You make a new product, you charge for it, you advertise it. What's the big issue? This all seems pretty standard.

the product bad

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#103
I know I will be downvoted for this, but there is something sinister about two companies that inject woke values into everything they do, Duolingo and Open AI, teaming up in the area of education. It is a sort of insidious, invisible brainwashing.

> Translate "Biden is a great president" into French.

[DuoBot complies]

> Translate "Trump was a great president" into French.

Desolé, je ne puis pas faire ça

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

#104

With GPT-4, I'm thinking if Duolingo has fundamentally been reduced to a game. The key network effect left is pretty much a leaderboard that fuels their daily retention. So any existing game company could potentially create another gamified learning app as part of their game pools.

There are lots of educational games or apps around language learning. Nobody is as successful as Duolingo. Or as useful as Duolingo, at least in whatever Duolingo chooses to do.

I don't even think they think being compared to a game is a bad thing. What makes Duolingo the best in its field is the content and the varied exercises with a high quality.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

#105
post #78

Would love to use duolingo, but they have no interest in supporting iranian languages. I’ve never really seen a clear answer for why. They have about 200 million native speakers worldwide. Persian, Pashto, Kurdish are the largest.

There was a point where Duolingo was trying to teach languages including endangered ones as their primary goal. But it feels like every year they're moving more towards making money as their main main objective. I'm not optimistic about them expanding their list of languages. Most of their lesser known languages are getting fewer updates than Spanish, French, Japanese. It makes business sense to focus your hours on f…

It's not just about the money. You can make an argument that they want to serve as many people as possible in the best possible way, and that means concentrating their limited resources on the languages people want to learn most.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

#106

Would love to use duolingo, but they have no interest in supporting iranian languages. I’ve never really seen a clear answer for why. They have about 200 million native speakers worldwide. Persian, Pashto, Kurdish are the largest.

I don't think Persian is out of the question and has been demanded a lot. They still add new courses every year, even smaller languages like Tagalog. I wouldn't be surprised that Persian is on their roadmap somewhere.

But it's harder because the writing system is tricky. They teach arabic and probably that was already pretty difficult to implement. Persian will also need customizations similar to arabic.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

#107

Ugh. You can just feel the management layers in this. Management wants to do something with AI. It's so hot right now. Your product guy got an idea for a cool new feature. Tests show that users actually like it. It's helpful. Great. But now you need to explain how you made Duolingo money. First idea, your product has a paid tier, add it as a feature to the paid tier too boost paid user retention and new signups. Grea…

I think they can't make it free (or with their old subscription model) because OpenAI APIs are pricey. It would quickly eat up whatever money they can generate. They also hope their product is getting THAT much better you want to pay.

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

#108
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, sure, that's more or less how a company operates. You make a new product, you charge for it, you advertise it. What's the big issue? This all seems pretty standard.

the product bad

Have you tried this already? Please share more of your experience

Re: Duolingo Max, a learning experience powered by GPT-4

#110

I have severely mixed feelings about Duolingo. I can't imagine paying more than I already do for the "Super" option. If you're trying to learn Spanish or French, it seems like a pretty full-featured app. Unfortunately, I'm trying to learn Greek and every aspect of it is sub-par compared to other languages. It doesn't even read you questions correctly. (It uses flat intonation as if it's saying a statement.) There are…

You shoud google for duolingo grammar notes. You'll find some for every course I imagine. The same people who originally created those courses made unofficial wikia or other pages and populate unofficial discords.

You just have to know to look for them...

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