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California cancels salmon fishing season

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Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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I've been Salmon fishing in California since I can remember. There are few things I love more than being on the water going for Kings as the sun comes up. I'm really bummed we won't have a season, but having more fish in the future is worth the short term cost.

The article doesn't seem to mention whether they are only canceling the season for big time commercial fishing or for all fishing altogether. I suspect it's the latter. Too bad that the government can't seem to grasp the concepts of scale and profit motive. The wildlife populations are getting wrecked from large scale fishing operations mass-scraping the sea clean, not from Joe Sixpack dipping their rod in the ocean…

Sport Fishing can put a huge amount of pressure on stocks too. During the salmon season there are hundred of boats off Stinson Beach (NW of the golden gate) fishing, same for Pacifica and Half Moon Bay. For every commercial boat there are many, many smaller boats. It all adds up.

Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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I would love to see all commercial fishing banned as well for something like 10 years. Unfortunately there are other countries that would not respect the ban and even if not countries, individuals would ignore it as it would create a black market. I still think the idea should be discussed and maybe g20 nations come up with some agreements. Hopefully things like lab grown fish improve and maybe we can move people awa…

Lab grown fish are one thing, but simple fish farms already work really well, the issues are that the fish don't eat a natural diet and are sicker and less healthy to eat. Maybe that's an easier problem to solve than growing fish meat in a lab.

Likely we could use both methods and see what works best. I’m not sure how well fish farms scale up but imagine lab grown meats will scale up.

Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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I've been Salmon fishing in California since I can remember. There are few things I love more than being on the water going for Kings as the sun comes up. I'm really bummed we won't have a season, but having more fish in the future is worth the short term cost.

I have heard from people who do love fishing that getting a decently cheap flight to Alaska is totally worth it specifically for Salmon

I've gone there several times but stopped when things got too crowded. They've also seen a significant decline in stocks I believe, especially along the inside passage.

Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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Yeah, I honestly don’t care if most people won’t change. I’ve done what I want to for the planet and I’ll be long dead before the bill for climate change really comes due. It’s their kids’ problem not mine. Good luck to them.

At the risk of being trite, your comment did make me think of the line from the end of The Lorax: “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”

I’ve cared enough to live a drastically different life from most Americans (albeit, it’s a way of life I prefer and I’d live this way even if it was worse for the environment). That’s about all I’m willing to do.

Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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I've been Salmon fishing in California since I can remember. There are few things I love more than being on the water going for Kings as the sun comes up. I'm really bummed we won't have a season, but having more fish in the future is worth the short term cost.

Bummed as well. Just got into fishing a few years ago. Was going to get a fishing kayak this spring for catching salmon off the coast but now I guess I'll wait.

Might be worth going for halibut this year. If the coastal waters are still super cold it should keep the SF bay quite active for the season, so you could always try hitting the sand flats off South SF. I haven't done it myself but others had great luck last year.

Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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We moved to the Irish countryside and hearing the dairy cows wailing for their calves that have just been taken away from them is an uexpected meat/dairy deterrent.

When I was much younger, we had a donkey that had a breach birth, and the foal became stuck. It was awful, in every sense of the word. The foal ended up dying mid-birth, and we then did everything we could to save the mother. To the point where we were had a chain wrapped around the dead foal for pulling, and we had to cut up and break its bones to get it out. We eventually saved the mother, but that donkey was truly…

Heartbreaking story.

I had never paid much attention to donkeys until the neighbours got one a couple years ago. They really are a fascinatingly emotive and sensitive animal and more like a pet than typical livestock. It comes up to the fence to socialize with us and get snuggles, and rubs noses with our border collies. It plays with their German Shepherd and with their kids in the yard. It likes to snuggle. It is protective of the miniature goats and sheep that it cohabits with.

I expected it to be more similar to a horse, but it's different. Far less aloof. Kind of want one of my own now.

Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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Here in Sweden we have major issues with hydroelectric power preventing salmons from reaching their spawning areas. Some rivers have limited or event stopped fishing because there just aren't enough that survive the trip past the power stations (that assuming there is a path past them for the fish to use). Is there similar issues in California?

Unfortunately yes, and even more so in Oregon/Washington. We need hydro power, but most all of the dams are on important watersheds.

Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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It's not just the draughts. https://www.seaspiracy.org/facts "Species like thresher, bull and hammerhead sharks have lost up to 80-99% of their populations in the last two decades. Seabird populations have declined by 70% since the 1950's. Studies estimate that up to 40% of all marine life caught is thrown overboard as bycatch. Six out of seven species of sea turtles are either threatened or endangered due to fishing…

Cancel all commercial fishing

And Farming. And rent. And student debt. And Janice.

Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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The law of supply and demand expects the marginal cost of each additional fish to be more expensive. What if it's not. What if it costs the same amount of money to catch fish until you catch the very last fish. Suddenly the price of fish jumps from $.03/fish to infinity. Some sort of quota system has to be implemented and enforced to not come to such an abrupt halt on a market like that. Fish is one thing, at least t…

"For example, Mitsubishi, a company which handles 35-40% of Japan’s imported Atlantic bluefin tuna, has been deep-freezing and stockpiling thousands of tons of bluefin each year, seeking to profit by selling bluefin at extremely steep prices in the future when the bluefin tuna is extinct or near extinction." https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/revealed-t... https://web.colby.edu/st297-global18/2019/01/2…

In Japan, you can buy farm-raised bluefin tuna. It is nicknamed "Kindai tuna". Read more here: https://www.gov-online.go.jp/eng/publicity/book/hlj/html/201...

Re: California cancels salmon fishing season

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I've been Salmon fishing in California since I can remember. There are few things I love more than being on the water going for Kings as the sun comes up. I'm really bummed we won't have a season, but having more fish in the future is worth the short term cost.

The article doesn't seem to mention whether they are only canceling the season for big time commercial fishing or for all fishing altogether. I suspect it's the latter. Too bad that the government can't seem to grasp the concepts of scale and profit motive. The wildlife populations are getting wrecked from large scale fishing operations mass-scraping the sea clean, not from Joe Sixpack dipping their rod in the ocean…

The ratio of commercial:recreational quoatas depend on the numeric value for the season, but at lower quotas the ratio skews heavily recreational. So when the run is substantial, commercial fisheries can fish, but when the run is marginal, more of the quota is recreational:

Allowable non-treaty ocean harvest (thousands of fish)

  Coho:    C  R
  0–300    25 75
  >300     60 40
  Chinook: 
  0–100    50 50
  >100–150 60 40
  >150     70 30

Source: Page 10 of https://media.fisheries.noaa.gov/2022-10/2022-Fed-Reg-Bookle...
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