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Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by prepend »

davidguetta wrote: post #25
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #7

This article unfortunately doesn't cover a much darker part of the TikTok children: exploitation of the children for the titillation of online creepers. The Some Place Under Neith podcast goes into this extensively [their "Parasocial Pits Of Hell" series]. It's completely legal to vlog your children in swimming outfits or a similar level of skin exposure, have the children sing or perform for their "fans", and encour…

I have weirdly mixed feelings on your comment. - I agree that parents who publicize their children on social media are massive creep in my opinion, who do a massive invasion of the child privacy. That should almost be illegal in my opinion since the child can't consent. - At the same time saying that no skin should ever be shown ever because "it titills sexual creeps" is a dark road that points in a direction which i…

> Should we forbid children to go to the pool because sexual creeps might go there ?

I don’t suggest that, but I think it’s pretty bad to post lots of swimsuit pics to social media. And it’s absolutely horrible to accept money in exchange for 1:1 videos or commissioned photos for internet strangers. There’s no legitimate purposes for adults to ask little kids to pose on swimsuits for them. I’m not sure if it should be illegal, but certainly scorned and people who practice to have appropriate levels of opprobrium.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

rayiner wrote: post #79
sneak wrote: post #47

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> Supporting your parents financially is just part of life for a lot of people, some even get a lot of happiness out of it. Yeah, lots of people find happiness in things done with consent. Those same people find unhappiness, resentment, and anger when those same things are done without consent. Consent matters! Children are not born owing their parents anything. This take is disgusting, frankly, because it ignores th…

> Children are not born owing their parents anything. Yes they are. That is the function of children with respect to parents in the circle of life, just as it is the function of parents to care for children. Not all obligations are ones you voluntarily undertake. Of course there are boundaries to the scope of that obligation. But those are defined by society, not "consent." The problem in Claire's story is that the p…

More importantly, assuming that children are born owing their parents anything leads to deeply unhealthy societal outcomes:

- This enables abusive parenting styles and forces adult children to need to unlearn this lie in order to come to terms with their abuse;

- This enables parents having an outsized influence on adult children, such as controlling their sexuality, interests, physical location, etc;

Frankly: the parents have an obligation to care for their children because they generally chose to have children or chose to keep them once they were had. The child did not choose to be born and does not have a choice on the quality of their parentage. It's unacceptable to then place the burden on the child for choices they didn't make and have no control over.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by lotsofpulp »

PurpleRamen wrote: post #74
watwut wrote: post #61

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I have seen naked toddlers in European swimming pools/lakes.

Toddlers are infants, not children. There is different awareness according to their abilities and demands.

In the US, toddlers are toddlers, infants are infants. Both toddlers and infants are children.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/difference-between-baby-newbo...

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by tyfon »

ivraatiems wrote: post #78

I have some good friends who've gone the other way: they've asked that there be as close to no photos or videos of their child on any social media as possible. They don't post about him online, and they keep pictures of him in photo albums. When he was born, they asked all of us to please refrain from taking photos of him without their permission. I completely support this and I intend to do something similar for my…

We do this too for our kids. Now that they are a bit older they are very happy with our decision.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by soiler »

luckylion wrote: post #40

I'm here for the cynical take: the size of the issue depends on whether it's successful. Lots of childhoods suck, and lots of parents make bad decisions. "My childhood was made into content and all I got was this multi-million dollar inheritance" doesn't sound too bad. Plenty of people have worse childhoods and don't get a penny.

The implication of your take is that we should exploit children as much as possible because it might pay off big, as long as we don't cross the line into "worst childhood of all time".

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by floren »

stametseater wrote: post #77
snapplebobapple wrote: post #22

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While I find parents doing this extremely concerning I am personally really hesitant to change anything because I can't think of any way to change it that doesn't seriously hinder normal and not creepy parental uses of images/videos of their children. We are already running into overreach problems trying to curtail the stuff we clearly need to curtail (i.e. that guy having to deal with the police for sending his kid'…

> While I find parents doing this extremely concerning I am personally really hesitant to change anything because I can't think of any way to change it that doesn't seriously hinder normal and not creepy parental uses of images/videos of their children Ban the commercialization of videos and images containing kids. No more child actors, singers, models, etc. Remove the child labor law exceptions which have been given…

> No more child actors

it'd make movies better, anyway

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by oh_sigh »

ivraatiems wrote: post #78

I have some good friends who've gone the other way: they've asked that there be as close to no photos or videos of their child on any social media as possible. They don't post about him online, and they keep pictures of him in photo albums. When he was born, they asked all of us to please refrain from taking photos of him without their permission. I completely support this and I intend to do something similar for my…

If there are random pictures of their kids in the background of some photo posted to Facebook, how are they not anonymous anymore?

I'm reminded of the scene from Jurassic park, where nedry is chastised for using a man's name during a clandestine meeting at a restaurant, and nedry yells out "Dodgson! We got Dodgson here! See, nobody cares!"

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by nradov »

eloisant wrote: post #57
watwut wrote: post #41

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This would made half summer family albums on Facebook illegal. People share fotos of swimming kids on public spaces all the time. And no, those fotos are not sexy nor meant to be.

Do people really post their family albums publicly? Posting privately for your extended family yes, but that should never be posted publicly.

If you post something on Facebook for "friends", and you have 5,000 friends, then is that really any different from posting publicly? And who counts as "extended family"? Like are third cousins in or out? And if you tag anyone in your post then it's also visible to all of their friends as well.

It's important to protect the private lives of our children. But it's very challenging to draw clear, enforceable lines in criminal laws and social media terms of service.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by ivraatiems »

oh_sigh wrote: post #107
ivraatiems wrote: post #78

I have some good friends who've gone the other way: they've asked that there be as close to no photos or videos of their child on any social media as possible. They don't post about him online, and they keep pictures of him in photo albums. When he was born, they asked all of us to please refrain from taking photos of him without their permission. I completely support this and I intend to do something similar for my…

If there are random pictures of their kids in the background of some photo posted to Facebook, how are they not anonymous anymore? I'm reminded of the scene from Jurassic park, where nedry is chastised for using a man's name during a clandestine meeting at a restaurant, and nedry yells out "Dodgson! We got Dodgson here! See, nobody cares!"

Nah, that's fine. It's more about specific photos of the kid.

Re: Influencer parents and the kids who had their childhood made into content

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Post by jabroni_salad »

antegamisou wrote: post #21
theshrike79 wrote: post #3

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And the people who adopted a disabled kid from China I think, made their content and found them a new home when stuff got too hard.

I really hope that you've been horribly misinformed. I have no words otherwise...

Oh man the situation with international adoptions is so much worse than even that.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1

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