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City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

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Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

#101

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> Not the parent, but one significant impediment to seeking redress for defective takedown notices is that there is only liability and attorneys fees recovery (at least under the DMCA; perhaps not under other areas of law) for knowing misrepresentations. Schemes (including those pre-existing under the common law, as was the case for defamation) giving strict liability for false statements have generally been found to…

> I’ve literally never heard anyone suggest that the main, or even a major, problem with the DMCA safe harbor was too many takedown notices made with reasonable, good-faith belief in their accuracy that were nonetheless wrong. I have seen the subject come up regarding organizations that carelessly bulk-send DMCA notices based on quick searches for possibly infringing material with little, or sometimes any, effort to…

> I have seen the subject come up regarding organizations that carelessly bulk-send DMCA notices based on quick searches for possibly infringing material with little, or sometimes any, effort to confirm. Though I suppose that wouldn’t be “good faith”. But wouldn’t that be a negligence standard?

Both in terms of real problem and constitutionality I think a negligence standard is more defensible than strict liability.

> If the DMCA regime shifts all the costs for a false statement (even if not a “knowingly” false statement) to the recipient (and/or their hosting provider), that’s a problem.

To be fair, the DMCA doesn’t shift any costs in that direction; in the absence of the DMCA safe harbor provision that the notice/counternotice process is part of, the notice recipient would be exposed to all the same costs as they can be under that regime, and the host would be exposed to additional costs. The safe harbor regime only gives the host an option which, if followed, removes any liability they would otherwise have, first (on the notice side) to the purported copyright owner, and second (on the counternotice side) to the target of the notice.

Which is why counternotice compliance is spottier than notice compliance: hosts are confident that, even before the safe harbor, they have no liability for an unnecessary takedown, so they don’t care about the part of the safe harbor tied to counternotice compliance.

Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

#102
post #84

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What evidence do you have that the claim is false?

Everything I know about the story is the kotaku article linked. If you are basing your comment off some alternative recounting of events, you will need to share it.

That's why I asked what I asked. Nowhere in the story is there any evidence the DMCA claim is false, except for the word of the developer. Since that developer agreed to give credit for story elements and then rescinded that agreement, it seems a little murkier than just "this guy says so, so they claims must be false." I was wondering if you had any additional information.

Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

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post #84

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What evidence do you have that the claim is false?

Why would a tiny Slovakian studio loudly proclaim that they are planning to continue fighting this lawsuit, if they believed that they were in the wrong? Especially given that the studio knows they are being directly sued by a lawyer who feels wronged and has a personal vendetta against them. Not even mentioning, above all, that DMCA strikes have been weaponized and abused by powerful players before. More importantly…

Thanks, but none of that is evidence. I agree with your assessment but it's all just speculation.

Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

#104
post #33

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These are apparently false DMCA letters. Attribution or payments aren’t really relevant. According to the article, the person filing the claims has no ownership of the copyright. Even if they were being ripped off (which it doesn’t seem like they are) that wouldn’t give them ownership of the copyright.

The person is claiming rights to a version of the game not yet released because they wrote a game guide about how to do it and the game creators agreed to credit him in the new IP. This has led to him filing the DMCA requests and initiating a claim against the new product. The DMCA requests appear to be retaliatory. That's my understanding from the minimal information provided in the article. Note however we are gett…

"They" implies multiple, and you are starting the sentence with a singular "the person", and finish the sentence with singular "him". Just stop playing stupid grammar games.

Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person is claiming rights to a version of the game not yet released because they wrote a game guide about how to do it and the game creators agreed to credit him in the new IP. This has led to him filing the DMCA requests and initiating a claim against the new product. The DMCA requests appear to be retaliatory. That's my understanding from the minimal information provided in the article. Note however we are gett…

"They" implies multiple, and you are starting the sentence with a singular "the person", and finish the sentence with singular "him". Just stop playing stupid grammar games.

> "They" implies multiple

No. It doesn't.

    The Oxford English Dictionary traces singular they back to 1375, where it appears in the medieval romance William and the Werewolf

    The New Oxford Dictionary of English (1998) not only accepts singular they, they also use the form in their definitions.

    And the New Oxford American Dictionary (Third Edition, 2010), calls singular they ‘generally accepted’ with indefinites, and ‘now common but less widely accepted’ with definite nouns, especially in formal contexts.
https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they...

Please, learn English.

Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

#106

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"They" implies multiple, and you are starting the sentence with a singular "the person", and finish the sentence with singular "him". Just stop playing stupid grammar games.

> "They" implies multiple No. It doesn't. The Oxford English Dictionary traces singular they back to 1375, where it appears in the medieval romance William and the Werewolf The New Oxford Dictionary of English (1998) not only accepts singular they, they also use the form in their definitions. And the New Oxford American Dictionary (Third Edition, 2010), calls singular they ‘generally accepted’ with indefinites, and ‘…

Well, one can cherry-pick one's authority on grammar, but any online translator will translate "They walk" to "Ils marchent". One also wouldn't write "they is", so, yes, it's a plural. At least, a sentence should be consistent and not intersperse "they" with "him".

Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

#107

My perspective: the fan is not "going rogue". This story is copyright itself brought to its objective conclusion. Everything here, the petty IP ownership claim, the expectation to have that ownership literally applied, the reactionary griefing, etc. is all baked in to what copyright is at its very foundations. This person is simply playing out the function of copyright as an ideology in their interactions with the ga…

No, it isn’t. The fact that you can make a false claim in copyright law and cause damage is not an indictment of the system of copyright.

The fact that copyright law has evolved into a guilty-until-proven-innocent system so easily abused is, however, an indictment of the system of copyright.

Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

#108
post #2

DMCA is such an epically shitty law. Only worse is that other countries are happily copying the law too.

Is the DMCA such a shitty law (questions about copyright in general aside), or are companies in shitty in just automatically responding to any DMCA allegation while refusing to invest anything in transparency/process/even-handedness? Basically if you are hit with a copyright or any other sort of terms of service violation, you are stuck spending time and energy trying to communicate with a black box. Platformists say…

> Is the DMCA such a shitty law (questions about copyright in general aside), or are companies in shitty in just automatically responding to any DMCA allegation while refusing to invest anything in transparency/process/even-handedness?

If the law enables said shitty automatic responses, then yes, the law is indeed shitty.

Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

#109

My perspective: the fan is not "going rogue". This story is copyright itself brought to its objective conclusion. Everything here, the petty IP ownership claim, the expectation to have that ownership literally applied, the reactionary griefing, etc. is all baked in to what copyright is at its very foundations. This person is simply playing out the function of copyright as an ideology in their interactions with the ga…

No, it isn’t. The fact that you can make a false claim in copyright law and cause damage is not an indictment of the system of copyright.

But the reason the above commenter has a point is because it’s unclear if the claim is false. I know nothing about the game, but the article claims this 3rd party spent so much effort creating a new way of playing the game that the game studio meant to implement those changes and even mention this 3rd party in the credits.

So the commenter is right: this person (apparently) created a work (IP) and thinks they have a right to monopolize that work.

The fact that IP law exists in the first place gives this person ground to stand on and do a lot of damage, because the claim has some amount of truth. There is probably not enough truth to his IP claim that this will work for him, but there is enough truth that he’d be mentioned in the credits.

Re: City-Builder Taken Off Steam After Fan Goes Rogue

#110
post #52

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> you can totally sue them for damages, and you'll probably win Yeah, you can totally sue Disney or Warner Bros if they file a false infringement claim against you. You'll definitely not win unless you have hundreds of thousands of dollars to go up against their phalanxes of corporate lawyers. The DMCA doesn't take into account unequal parties.

In theory that is a problem; in practice, the companies making knowingly false ContentID claims are 99% of the time small actors. Just like patent trolls are 99% of the time small actors. Mind you, I say knowingly false . Big companies unknowingly make false claims all the time, because they don't know what-all they actually own — but you can't sue them for that anyway, since there's no mens rea there.

> but you can't sue them for that anyway, since there's no mens rea there.

"I don't know whether or not I own this intellectual property but I'm going to sic the DMCA on you anyway" is blatant negligence, at best. That our legal system doesn't consider that to be mens rea is one of a 3.7-mile-high stack of indictments against said legal system.

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