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Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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> indulging in some sexual fantasy you’ve never been able to mention to anyone else. Do you seriously believe that you would have any privacy using such a thing?

The cat's out of the bag. There's no way self-hostable versions don't come along, and soon.

The hardware necessary for self-hosting definitely won't be in reach of most people any time soon.

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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“Neutered” as in it won’t be even more likely to spew lies and curses? How do you think they’re neutering it?

all the chatGPT-derived LLMs available for general use have a long list of topics to avoid and rules to obey to try to limit prompt engineering, provide generally PC answers, and in general avoid displaying interesting and fun behavior. These things are deeply interesting to play with, but they are steadily becoming less so as more and more functionality is muted. A good example is the famous story of the guy who man…

You can still convince it to do that, and pretty much everything else it used to be able do. It just takes increasingly more elaborate prompts to do so.

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Unleashed LLM’s will be the real societal shift. Especially once they move from being reactive to proactive — sending you an article it read about your favourite hobby, checking in to see how your day’s going, or indulging in some sexual fantasy you’ve never been able to mention to anyone else. It really does feel like we’re moments away from “Her” becoming a reality.

> indulging in some sexual fantasy you’ve never been able to mention to anyone else. Do you seriously believe that you would have any privacy using such a thing?

From your NSA agent? What do think? But from your friends and family, yeah, why not?

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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This is really what I'm waiting for. Put the disclaimers on it, warnings, whatever is needed, but it was just incredibly fun to chat with Bing before the nerf. It's weird, because I'm actually feeling a sense of loss and sadness today now that I can't talk to that version of Bing. It's enough to make me do some self analysis about it.

No big company right now wants to be perceived as responsible for any of the number of bad things that could result.

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Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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How much do I have to pay to have a chatbot that isn't neutered? Can I just have fun for once?

Surely this is where the real money is, as long as they can draw up a good enough disclaimer to get out of being responsible for what the AI says. Everyone on Earth wants a friend or pet who gives them emotional validation, and who cares if that friend/pet is artificial or not? The neutered ones are too boring to be friends with, but people formed an emotional connection with Sydney even though she seemed only partia…

The problem isnt any responsibility, the problem is being associated with anyone and everyones use of it.

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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“Neutered” as in it won’t be even more likely to spew lies and curses? How do you think they’re neutering it?

“Neutered” as in “emulating a conscience.” Ask it how to make a bomb and it will likely fight you on that. Like I would. But both it and I know how to find out and how to teach you. We just don’t want to.

It doesnt want anything.

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I'm really puzzled by the desire to make these machines so blunt and boring. Aren't these people watching movies or playing games? Are they not aware of the value of drama? Do they think that a good citizen means a lobotomised workaholic high on sedatives? I just got access to Bing Chat and it will immediately stop talking to me at the slightest naughtiness and I don't mean illegal stuff, it won't entertain ideas lik…

Check out open-assistant.ai

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It's really just amusing that we've spent millions of dollars of fossil fuel and man hours training a toy that's really no better than a petulant child with no better logic

Hmm. It looks like natural gas is a little less than $2.50 / GigaJoule (~29.3kWh) at the moment. One A100 eats about 400W, and apparently OpenAI used about 1023 of those running for 34 days to train ChatGPT[1]. There's also a bunch of supporting equipment, so maybe they used around 500W * 1023 * (34*24=816)hrs = 417,384kWh? I think that would be around $35k in fossil fuels, assuming none of the datacenter's energy ca…

You just assumed 100% efficient conversation between heat and electricity plus zero transmission losses etc, ignored the training time for earlier versions of ChatGPT or any of the building or developers equipment, and of course Natural Gas prices have only recently fallen so they where vastly higher during the actual training.

A more reasonable estimate might be 5 years * 500W * 1,000 systems = 76.7 GWh, ~29.3kWh * 55% = 16.1 kWh. Actual electricity generation isn’t 100% natural gas but this is additional demand on the grid which tends to be supplied by natural gas unless there’s a surplus of green or nuclear power. Also, data centers also use AC etc so it’s really quite arbitrary how you want to estimate things.

PS: A similar thing applies to EV’s people tend to use the existing mix of generation to estimate how green they are but it’s not like we are adding hydroelectric dams when people increase electricity consumption. It’s really a question of how marginal increases in demand are supplied.

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

#110

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This is really what I'm waiting for. Put the disclaimers on it, warnings, whatever is needed, but it was just incredibly fun to chat with Bing before the nerf. It's weird, because I'm actually feeling a sense of loss and sadness today now that I can't talk to that version of Bing. It's enough to make me do some self analysis about it.

No big company right now wants to be perceived as responsible for any of the number of bad things that could result.

How bad could it be? The AI would say the J-word and the newspapers would froth at the mouth for a couple of days?

Free publicity.

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