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Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by vorticalbox »

Operative0198 wrote: post #98
vorticalbox wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you're just replacing Mozilla telemetry with Google telemetry.

The difference is Chrome atleast gives you the choice (maybe illusion?) to opt-out of *some of the telemetry. Mozilla to-date refuses to build a one button switch to disable all telemetry [0] and there's calls to telemetry domains such as location.services.mozilla.com you cannot stop on some of their products like Firefox Focus (ironic for a privacy product). [0] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/domains-allow-fir…

honesty not all telemetry is bad. having it track cashes and upload that data is clearly good for usability.

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by Zuiii »

wkat4242 wrote: post #77
LightHugger wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes, an addon whitelist. How very community friendly of Mozilla... And they wonder why their market share plummets the way it does, making such extremely user hostile decisions like that.

And also, why do they block loading XPI extensions on mobile :(

And also also, why they block the ability to run devtools directly on mobile. It's an incredibly sad state of affairs that I have to use a chromium fork to do something that was pioneered on Firefox. Why do Mozilla keep shooting themselves in the foot like this?

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by klondike_klive »

drtgh wrote: post #97
xPaw wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons, then they shipped a new version and only allowed like 10 addons, and to this day they don't allow any more. It's already been years. I know my addon works fine on mobile, but they provide no means of specifying that*. I tried to email them for it to become "recommended" but never heard back. The fact that they allow tampermonkey which allows any kind of sc…

I remember that update, suddenly they disabled Cookie AutoDelete, what left me with a bad feeling. PS: Meanwhile I do not understand why is Ghostery included in that tinny allowed addons list (and now Tampermonkey).

Do you mean there's something wrong with Ghostery?

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by jhvkjhk »

mg wrote: post #2

Personally, I prefer bookmarklets over extensions and Tampermonkey. They work the same on Desktop, Android and iOS. So I can write my bookmarklet once and use it everywhere. Without installing anything. I also like that bookmarklets only kick in when you click on them. Although some might find that too much work, it feels natural to me. It is already in my muscle memory, to click an "Increase Fontsize" bookmarklet wh…

Do bookmarklets still work on iOS? I wanted to try them but I found this post:

> Apple no longer allows running JavaScript in either the Mobile Safari address bar or as a mobile Safari bookmark.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253547618

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

#105

Post by underdeserver »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #92
proc_guts_fan wrote: post #81

If anyone needs a "monkey" not for web pages but for any process on your computer system, may I recommend Frida: https://frida.re https://github.com/frida/frida With Frida, you write JavaScript programs and then inject them into arbitrary processes, to hook and modify and call whatever you please. It gets a lot of use in the reverse engineering and vulnerability research communities, but has broader scope too. For in…

is this a fancy pants cheat engine?

It is, for rather exotic meanings of "cheat".

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by jkonline »

xPaw wrote: post #82
jraph wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big thing for me is that Tampermonkey is not open source. And yes, Firefox on Android has an allowlist of "known working good" extensions, the reason given being that Firefox for Android doesn't implement everything the Desktop version implements and IIUC, want to a avoid users blaming the browser when something breaks because of it.

It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons, then they shipped a new version and only allowed like 10 addons, and to this day they don't allow any more. It's already been years. I know my addon works fine on mobile, but they provide no means of specifying that*. I tried to email them for it to become "recommended" but never heard back. The fact that they allow tampermonkey which allows any kind of sc…

The Mozilla blog recently covered some of this IIRC: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/extensions-addo...

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by Laaas »

xPaw wrote: post #82
jraph wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big thing for me is that Tampermonkey is not open source. And yes, Firefox on Android has an allowlist of "known working good" extensions, the reason given being that Firefox for Android doesn't implement everything the Desktop version implements and IIUC, want to a avoid users blaming the browser when something breaks because of it.

It really is bizzare, old Firefox used to support all addons, then they shipped a new version and only allowed like 10 addons, and to this day they don't allow any more. It's already been years. I know my addon works fine on mobile, but they provide no means of specifying that*. I tried to email them for it to become "recommended" but never heard back. The fact that they allow tampermonkey which allows any kind of sc…

Mozilla has been going down a bizarre path for a while. If only Brendan Eich could have stayed at Mozilla instead of getting excommunicated, then we'd have the best of Brave and Firefox.

(What _really_ showed me Mozilla is going crazy is when they fired sunfishcode (IIRC) and the Servo team! Both were essential to their success. It makes little sense.)

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by sundarurfriend »

2h wrote: post #64
Helmut10001 wrote: post #56

I use Fennec, and it allows adding any Desktop extension (idontcareaboutcookies, privacyredirect etc.).

Only if you register with AMO.

It seems like Iceraven doesn't have this restriction, and works like Firefox on Android originally used to?

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by Operative0198 »

vorticalbox wrote: post #101
Operative0198 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is Chrome atleast gives you the choice (maybe illusion?) to opt-out of *some of the telemetry. Mozilla to-date refuses to build a one button switch to disable all telemetry [0] and there's calls to telemetry domains such as location.services.mozilla.com you cannot stop on some of their products like Firefox Focus (ironic for a privacy product). [0] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/domains-allow-fir…

honesty not all telemetry is bad. having it track cashes and upload that data is clearly good for usability.

True. However Mozilla's Firefox has some of the worst telemetry possible.

https://www.ghacks.net/2022/03/17/each-firefox-download-has-...

Re: Firefox Android now supports Tampermonkey

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Post by dkbrk »

I don't understand why Mozilla artificially limits what addons can be used on android.

I've been using Tampermonkey on android for years, and it worked fine, just like other addons that don't happen to have yet been blessed so that users are granted the privilege of being able to choose to install them.

For reference, to work around mozilla's artificial restrictions, you have to use nightly. Once you activate the debug menu (about firefox > tap logo 5 times) there's the option to set a "custom add-on collection". You can make a custom collection on addons.mozilla.org using a firefox account. The two fields are the last two parts of the URL on your custom collection.

Not only is this very cumbersome (especially if you want to add another addon to your collection and have that propagate to your phone), but it's only available on nightly. And nightly has a nasty habit of breaking. It's not much fun when an update causes it to crash immediately on visiting certain websites; even worse when restarting causes it to try to load the tab that just caused it to crash.

So, it ends up in a dilemma: you can either have a browser that doesn't catastrophically break every few updates; or you can have the freedom to install whatever addons you like. But not both.

And that dilemma is entirely artificial and unnecessary. Mozilla could have a process of verifying that addons work correctly on android and warn if you try to install one that isn't so verified (like how Valve has "Deck Verified" but doesn't stop you installing anything you like). But that's not what they've done, and they don't show any sign of changing their minds.

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