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Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by JadeNB » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 2:10 AM UTC

oblio wrote: post #91

JadeNB wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > But the EU insists on open borders because they want social and political integration, not just economic integration. > Yes, they do. You don't know what the EU project is about. You don't know its history: … > The EU was always a political union. I'm confused, because it seems that you and your parent are saying the same thing. Did you misread them as saying the EU doesn't want political integration?

If you read their tone, EU political integration is a negative aspect. I'm saying that a) it was always the plan and b) it's good.

> If you read their tone, EU political integration is a negative aspect.

> I'm saying that a) it was always the plan and b) it's good.

As someone who thinks the EU's mission of political integration is a good thing, I think jumping from "someone seems not to think that it's a good thing" to "they don't understand the history of the EU" is less than civil. Even if you and I both agree with the program, surely it is possible to understand it and yet disagree with it?

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by pyuser583 » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 3:54 AM UTC

oblio wrote: post #34

pyuser583 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

None of these three things require open borders, which the EU insists on. In fact, the Canada has all three in common with the EU. But the EU insists on open borders because they want social and political integration, not just economic integration.

My list was not an exhaustive list :-))) > But the EU insists on open borders because they want social and political integration, not just economic integration. Yes, they do. You don't know what the EU project is about. You don't know its history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_European_Union > After the war on 19 September 1946 Chruchill went further as a civilian, after leaving office, at the Universi…

I understand the history of European integration.

Contrary to the expectation of everyone, the EU is mostly an economic body. It has other missions, but those are nowhere as popular or as effective as economic integration.

Cultural integration? EU cultural policy is focused on preserving local cultures, not promoting a Pan-European culture. They want a pan-European culture. They just don’t know how to make it.

Are there EU-wide sports leagues? EU wide award shows? Irish authors brag when they get shortlisted for the Booker Prize, not when they get some obscure EU award.

Political integration? What’s the turnout on EU elections?

Military integration? I read something about some experimental “European” unit somewhere. But there are probably more Germans in the French Foreign Legion than there are soldiers in the “EU” military.

The EU is a failure at everything except economics.

They want to do more. They really do. It’s “in the cards.”

And my original complaint was that the EU justifies non-economic measures using economic logic. Why? Because despite the despite the cultural, military, and political goals, the EU is mostly an economic entity,

But an economic union based upon mandatory liberal economics is certainly not what anyone had in mind before 1989.

Edit: A good example is freedom of movement. Originally, this was a cultural policy decided to make “Europeans.”

It’s failed. When Poles move to Ireland, they and their descendants become Irish, not European.

So the EU justifies it by talking about an “integrated labor market.”

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by erie » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 8:50 AM UTC

toyg wrote: post #52

To people getting their knickers in a twist: Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Latvia, Poland and Portugal, with all due respect, are hardly beacons of anti-copyright maximalism. Chances are that most of them simply couldn't be arsed to write the relevant laws, over a timespan that included such facetious events as a 2-year-long global pandemic. If I had to prioritize lawmaking, I would also put some copyright bullshit at…

Thanks to Google, Facebook, Microsoft top EU lobbying spending - study https://corporateeurope.org/sites/default/files/2021-08/The%...

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by manicdee » Thu, Feb 16, 2023, 9:44 AM UTC

paol wrote: post #74

toyg wrote: post #52

To people getting their knickers in a twist: Bulgaria, Denmark, Finland, Latvia, Poland and Portugal, with all due respect, are hardly beacons of anti-copyright maximalism. Chances are that most of them simply couldn't be arsed to write the relevant laws, over a timespan that included such facetious events as a 2-year-long global pandemic. If I had to prioritize lawmaking, I would also put some copyright bullshit at…

In the case of Portugal I can confirm you are correct - the non-compliance is due to legislative incompetence, not dissent.

Perhaps playing dumb is the favoured form of dissent.

Re: EU sues Member States who refuse to bring in new copyright rules

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Post by hungryforcodes » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 6:22 PM UTC

iakov wrote: post #95

hungryforcodes wrote: post #82

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More countries leaving the EU? It's not supposed to be a hostile union is it?

You can’t be serious. After the clusterfuck of brexit other countries will be very, very careful even thinking about leaving. And if some country decides to leave the union it wont be over a inconsequential fine and lawsuit.

The problem in Brexit was execution.