Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

cnbc.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 459 posts

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#101

Post by kweingar »

system16 wrote: post #80
kweingar wrote: post #47

(Disclaimer: Google employee, I don’t work on Bard, views my own, etc.) I don’t think either Bing Chat or Bard is ready to be released widely. You need a certain mindset to be able to wring value out of them, and most normal users will not think this way. That being said, it’s probably fine to release these tools to enthusiastic early adopters who understand how to use them.

This is what I find the most surprising. I was under the impression that ChatGPT was still "research" and wouldn't be ready for prime time for a while. These rushed products that don't live anywhere near up to the hype seem like they will sour public opinion on it.

OpenAI seems to have been the forcing function. Investors tried out GPT-3/ChatGPT and saw dollar signs.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#102

Post by therealcamino »

myth_drannon wrote: post #89
nivenkos wrote: post #15

It's gonna be Chatbots / NFTs all over again.

I stopped using google and almost don't use SO for programming related searches, my daily driver is chatGPT even when sometimes it gives bad answers. Chatbots were useless garbage from the get go and I hated them and NFT is, well NFT.

Doesn't it bother you that it sounds just as confident when it's making stuff up as when it's accurately summarizing? Do you just think you can tell when it's wrong?

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#103

Post by SilverBirch »

system16 wrote: post #80
kweingar wrote: post #47

(Disclaimer: Google employee, I don’t work on Bard, views my own, etc.) I don’t think either Bing Chat or Bard is ready to be released widely. You need a certain mindset to be able to wring value out of them, and most normal users will not think this way. That being said, it’s probably fine to release these tools to enthusiastic early adopters who understand how to use them.

This is what I find the most surprising. I was under the impression that ChatGPT was still "research" and wouldn't be ready for prime time for a while. These rushed products that don't live anywhere near up to the hype seem like they will sour public opinion on it.

From some of the reporting it sounds like AI was in a bit of a cold war that accidentally turned hot. OpenAI got it into their head that someone else was going to release a chat bot imminently, so they panicked and raced to release their own, which is why it's GPT3 based, doesn't have up to date info and has all sorts of other problems. OpenAI panicked and rushed something out and now Google is doing the same.

All of these companies know the tech isn't ready, but they couldn't afford to be left behind when someone moved. It's funny, because this happens quite often in tech. Remember when Tesla announced self-driving? Suddenly Intel were doing deals with MobilEye and BMW, GM did Cruise etc. etc. and then 5-10 years later nothing has been delivered? They all jumped the gun and couldn't afford ot be left behind.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#104

Post by saagarjha »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #45

> Google employees > Interactive chart of Alphabet (GOOG) annual worldwide employee count from 2010 to 2022. Alphabet total number of employees in 2022 was 190,234 There should be a rule where you can't over-represent a group of people in media headlines. What percentage of 190,000 people called the CEOs response a dumpster fire? What percentage of 190,000 are even aware of ChatGPT or Google's response to it?

You would have to be living under a rock to not be aware of Google’s launch.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#105

Post by vel0city »

drewcon wrote: post #51
nivenkos wrote: post #15

It's gonna be Chatbots / NFTs all over again.

Eh, this feels different. There are some immediate utilities delivered from ChatGPT and Midjourney that feel like magic. Will they get over hyped? Sure. But is there a real kernel of something different there? I think so. Chatbots were just a worse way to fill out a form. NFTs we’re…where to even begin. But I’ve already used GPT to write thank you note and create a blog post, and I’ve used midjourney to create stock…

> But I’ve already used GPT to write thank you note and create a blog post, and I’ve used midjourney to create stock photos.

And I played Counterstrike for a first person video game, and I used a Dewalt impact driver to drive in some screws, and I slept on a Purple mattress. How does any of this mean Google is doomed?

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#106

Post by pier25 »

lvspiff wrote: post #14

Whats with everything being a dumpster fire nowadays? how about a simple hot mess? or what happened to a good ol hell in a hand-basket? or Ninth Circle Of Hell? I'm sure there are better euphemisms than the dumpster being on fhir as that indicates someone stoking it whereas the reality is more indecision and inaction causing confusion and demoralizing the teams.

Most people don't know how to behave online.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#107

Post by theRealMe »

mjr00 wrote: post #81
drewcon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, this feels different. There are some immediate utilities delivered from ChatGPT and Midjourney that feel like magic. Will they get over hyped? Sure. But is there a real kernel of something different there? I think so. Chatbots were just a worse way to fill out a form. NFTs we’re…where to even begin. But I’ve already used GPT to write thank you note and create a blog post, and I’ve used midjourney to create stock…

> But I’ve already used GPT to write thank you note and create a blog post, and I’ve used midjourney to create stock photos. Neither of those are searching for information , though, which is a very different use case. If 95% of the time GPT writes a great thank you note, that's very useful. If 95% of the time Midjourney gives me a good stock image, that's great! If 95% of the time GPT gives me a correct search result…

If you think that more than 95% of the google search results give you an accurate answer, then I’ve got a search result about bridges to sell you…

Edit: and to add more so this response isn’t purely trash talking: plenty of us have already switched over to using ChatGPT/bing for our standard question answerer. It is far more efficient than getting back pages of search results and having to parse through garbage site after garbage site, scrolling through pages of ads and SEO optimized copy to look for the one nugget of info.

The thing is, people will adjust their usage patterns for these bots just like we did for search engines. You don’t just 100% believe what the first webpage says. You look for other contextual information to determine if you believe it or not. That is a learned pattern to how we consume search engines and a similar thing will happen with LLMs.

It’s like, if you were the first person to come into contact with fire, you reached your hand in and got burnt and then declared that fire is useless because it burns you. In either case, for LLMs, search engines, or fire, if you use them incorrectly then they won’t be useful. It’s up to you to use them correctly.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#108

Post by vidarh »

npalli wrote: post #9

Here's the weird thing though, as discussed yesterday [1], the Microsoft demo was totally broken as well. In the end, everyone is looking for a big platform shift (next MOBILE!!!) and hype getting ahead of reality. When we look back in 3 months we will wonder why we thought LLM/GPT type queries will replace search in all forms. https://dkb.blog/p/bing-ai-cant-be-trusted

I don't think it can (yet, anyway) replace current search, but I also think there are a whole lot of niches where it can perform better than regular search and it will take time for people to determine which niches can be served well by current models, and what type of queries they shouldn't even try to answer.

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#109

Post by monkmartinez »

matthewdgreen wrote: post #58
mynameisvlad wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the long run, sure. In the short to medium term, though, they solidly dominate the field. We're still in that phase phase of both Tesla and Bing AI.

In the short term Google has an utterly dominant position in Search, and Bing AI is basically irrelevant to this. What people are worried about are the implications for the long term.

I have switched to Bing and Edge, then wrote a script to rack up points in hopes that I get moved up for the new BingGPT. Google search results have been trending toward crap for a while from my POV. 'Google it' is sticky, but I absolutely have not missed a beat with Edge and Bing. In fact, Edge has been a really pleasant surprise with features Chrome doesn't have. A calculator in the side bar is fracking awesome!

Re: Google employees criticize CEO for “dumpster fire” response to ChatGPT

#110

Post by outside1234 »

kubota wrote: post #22

Whatever happened to move fast and break things? Who cares if it wasn't perfect in the first iteration. It was a shot across ChatGPTs bow, and pleased the shareholders.

That was Facebook. Google is move slow and have your PR nitpicked eight times.
Post reply on HN