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Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#101

I understand and expect most of the comments here would be about the state of open source, and I know we of course, by definition, are only getting one side of the story, and I also know that no country is perfect. But holy shit, I had immense sadness and sympathy for his legal woes and the fact that he was imprisoned . Again, obviously the US is no panacea when it comes to incarceration, but holy shit, first thing I…

>The entire legal system there is now basically one man's corrupt enterprise

How did you arrive to this conclusion? OP wasn't a political prisoner, he served less than a year for manslaughter

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post #27

I recognize his challenges, but not sure if I can look past his victim blaming and "both sides bad" war rhetoric.

One way you can plausibly interpret the "other side" is to be about sanctions, not necessarily Ukraine.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he's in Russia, isn't this sanctioned?

AFAIK: technically only a limited amount of companies and people are sanctioned, but the sanction list includes most if not all Russian banks... So I think Patreon, etc, or their banks would be scared about transferring money to his bank account. I wonder if external banking is possible: a Russian goes to a supermarket in Russia, he buys food, he pays by transferring money from his e.g. Swiss bank account to the supe…

Visa and MC issued in Russia work just fine, no need for external banking

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#104
This story is one of the reasons why I don't understand why people are so enamored with FOSS. The entire ecosystem is a gigantic free-rider problem. If you cannot exlude people from using your software despite the fact that they don't pay, you're not capturing the value you provide. The result is, in line with econ 101, undersupply and lack of investment.

It's not just the author but this is how many free software projects look. People living on 1800 bucks a month providing millions in value to billion dollar companies. Completely bizarre status quo.

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#106
I always heard people talk about how "open source is broken", but I'm honestly in shock after reading this.

Is this normal? That one guy can contribute code that is used on thousands of the top websites worldwide and not one of the numerous multi-billion dollar companies that use his code are even willing to donate an amount equivalent to an average developer's salary?

I mean, how is this that possible? It's not like when a company the size of Spotify uses core-js they just add it to their project without thinking. No, they know how important the project is. They know the effort involved in building and maintain a project like core-js. Yet they can't even throw the dude a few thousand dollars a year to say thanks?

Am I missing something here? Is the fact that he's Russian having an impact on the companies willing to offer him support?

It honestly seems insane to me that so many people are able to reach out with messages of hate for adding a donation message to free software, but only a handful of people / business would offer support.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#107
post #89
post #27

I recognize his challenges, but not sure if I can look past his victim blaming and "both sides bad" war rhetoric.

I'm shocked I have to scroll down so far to see someone complain about that. He absolutely is shifting 100% of the blame for him killing someone onto the person he killed.

Honestly, I feel really sorry for the guy and I'm willing to take him at his word that it wasn't his fault, but I found the bit about him hitting the girls a little off. It almost seemed like he was more angry at them for being in the road than himself for hitting them.

As some who has hit someone in my car before and was not to blame (legally at least) I'm more than aware these things happen, but I think if I killed someone, especially if it was someone as young as 18, I'd be tormented by guilt. Even if it were an accident.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#108
This wide usage of core-js comes from being used by some very widely used libraries. Most developers don't install core-js directly. It always comes as an indirect dependency through other projects like babel, so if he wants to work full-time on OSS and earn good money, he should maybe look at becoming a member of Babel or a similar funded OSS project.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

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post #106

I always heard people talk about how "open source is broken", but I'm honestly in shock after reading this. Is this normal? That one guy can contribute code that is used on thousands of the top websites worldwide and not one of the numerous multi-billion dollar companies that use his code are even willing to donate an amount equivalent to an average developer's salary? I mean, how is this that possible? It's not like…

> I mean, how is this that possible?

The Node.JS library ecosystem (for better or worse) is modeled as small libraries which do only one thing, and often have dozens of dependencies. And those in turn, have their own dependencies.

So when you import a library, you're bringing in a lot of other libraries as well. Some large companies have stringent audits (for licenses etc), but most care (or are aware) only about the library they imported. core-js is probably a dependency for many others, and especially transpiler toolchains which are common in JS.

Re: So what’s next (personal news from developer of popular CoreJS polyfill)

#110

In my unasked-for opinion, he should absolutely give up on this project, and take a salaried job that'll let him support his family and not have to deal with the entitlement issues and lack of perspective the community evidently has. If half of what's in this post is true, he's shown admirable restraint: I'd have burned it all down the first time someone got pissy about a free thing I gave them.

Yes. But I think it also shows a common misunderstanding of "open source" (and even "free software").

What he did was incredibly valuable to a huge number of successful people and corporations. But no one owes him anything. That's the point of open source. If they did owe him something, they wouldn't have used it. They used it because it was great, it was established/known, it was available with no strings attached whatsoever. Again, that's the point, that's why it's popular.

But also, he owes them nothing. He doesn't have to keep maintaining the most comprehensive, up-to-date, and flexible package, as a full-time job, for free. He could could have just stopped after his first couple years where it was an inherently fulfilling passion project, he could just put in a couple hours a week, whatever. People would make do, it would still be quite valuable for a lot of people for a long time. Or those other projects and companies would come up with an more up-to-date alternative when really needed.

You really don't have to be a martyr, and we don't have to "give up on open source" or whatever. You can just make stuff available that you wanted to do anyway. Sometimes it leads to bigger opportunities, sometimes (usually?) not. Don't slave away and sacrifice your personal life because of what you think you deserve if you do, that's not going to materialize that way.

Remember this is all stuff just offered up with NO WARRANTY, NOT EVEN FITNESS FOR PURPOSE etc. And in practice it's super super valuable that way. Even without you sacrificing yourself. Let companies spend the big bucks on it, just work on what's fun in your free time.

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