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There are so many people out there who are now technology practitioners because they had a chance to self-train on the same tools that professionals use, which are freely available at no cost since paid software is vastly more expensive than they could ever hope to afford. Programmers aren't stupid, we are fortunate that we can make our living using the software we build rather than being forced to sell it. Open-sour…
Actually, most of these companies provide their commercial tools either free or deeply discounted to students so they can learn.
New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
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Re: New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
#102Don't expect government to go open source. Use open source to supersede government functionality.
How do I use open source to supercede filing taxes or pulling permits?
Re: New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you're just discussing it with him, that's fine. If he specifically asks for your opinion, you're fine to give it to him. But under no circumstances should you try to unilaterally influence or coerce him in some way. That's overstepping the line.
> But under no circumstances should you try to unilaterally influence Why do you believe that to be true? I'm asking as an outside observer, I don't live in the US so I have no real interest in all this. But, since things are interconnected, and a state isn't just some lonely abstract entity, isn't in your interest to try push for things that are good overall? Why shouldn't I try to convince people that a certain cha…
States are separate for a reason, the people of each state want to do things their own way. For the things we can all agree nationally there is the federal government, but for everything else it's separated at the state level so we step on as few toes as possible.
Spamming a New Hampshire state representative when you aren't in New Hampshire, let alone not in the US, subverts democracy by violating state and possibly country lines.
Re: New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
How do I use open source to supercede filing taxes or pulling permits?
You don't get to just do it all at once. In the case of permits, for example, you could work towards something that documents agreements between groups of neighbors. My suggestion is that open source can be used to develop alternative governance structures, not that it is a free pass to get out of legal obligations.
Re: New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
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It's not a law that prohibits citizens from using proprietary software, it's a law that prohibits the government from doing it. But the government is the thing enforcing the law, so it's really just the government choosing not to use proprietary software itself.
You’re acting as if everyone in the New Hampshire government is making this decision when that is obviously not the case. Someone (or a group of people) decided to push a bill with their ideals that will impact everyone who works a government job in NH. So again this very much sounds like it is forcing people to use certain software instead of allowing a team or agency to be able to determine what is best for them. T…
I mean what are you proposing, some ideological principle that each government employee has to be able to choose their own governance software?
Re: New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
You’re acting as if everyone in the New Hampshire government is making this decision when that is obviously not the case. Someone (or a group of people) decided to push a bill with their ideals that will impact everyone who works a government job in NH. So again this very much sounds like it is forcing people to use certain software instead of allowing a team or agency to be able to determine what is best for them. T…
This is no different than the executives of a company making the decision to use some particular software. Then the employees of the company use it, because that's their job. They don't have to; they can work somewhere else. The government has many monopolies but a source of employment isn't one. I mean what are you proposing, some ideological principle that each government employee has to be able to choose their own…
I don't particularly care what a private entity does, especially when that could be changed with relative ease.
But a bill being signed into law is completely different. Not only is this public and I want the government to be efficient and be able to make the right decision for a given organization within the government.
No I am not proposing that each government employee chooses the software that they want to use. I am saying that a given organization within the government should be able to choose the right software for whatever it is that they are tasked to do not be dictated by a law that is pushing an ideological idea about software.
Especially when that article states that they hope schools too.
The government is not a single entity. What works for one part of the government doesn't mean it is right for another. And yes you can make that argument about a private company and executes, but again there is a major difference between a private company pushing something internally and a public government pushing something that may mean it runs less efficiently since each part of the government did not have the ability to make that decision for themselves.
What particularly bothers me about this, is if there was truly a desire to use software like this. Then this bill would not be necessary. Maybe a bill to cover the costs to do some conversions, but those lines would not be necessary if people actually wanted to do it. But from my prospective this bill is trying to legally require something's use internally and that is too heavy handed in my opinion.
Re: New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
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I recently edited a pdf form using Okular (KDE app on Linux - Arch in this case). It was a pretty involved multi page bank mortgage related form. The app that designed this beauty was running on a Mac (can't remember more but I did see Mac in some metadata on it). One field went a bit odd - it would show one number and print another after I got my data entry a bit wrong and corrected it. Clearly a bug. I passed the f…
Okular uses the poppler PDF library under the hood - and probably do most other non-Adobe implementations. Each software package is not a complete reimplementation of the standard, so it is not unexpected that they share behavior (and bugs). If you can share the PDF we can file a bug report against poppler.
I'll see if I can find it ...
Re: New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But under no circumstances should you try to unilaterally influence Why do you believe that to be true? I'm asking as an outside observer, I don't live in the US so I have no real interest in all this. But, since things are interconnected, and a state isn't just some lonely abstract entity, isn't in your interest to try push for things that are good overall? Why shouldn't I try to convince people that a certain cha…
>But, since things are interconnected, and a state isn't just some lonely abstract entity, isn't in your interest to try push for things that are good overall? States are separate for a reason, the people of each state want to do things their own way. For the things we can all agree nationally there is the federal government, but for everything else it's separated at the state level so we step on as few toes as possi…
Still, to push your reasoning, what if I’m not in NH but I plan to move there in the near future from a neighboring state?
What if I’m planning to move there from another country?
What if the move is not certain but I’m just considering the possibility?
Also, what if I simply think something is a good thing and I want to help promote it?
Re: New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
#109Calling this “libre software” instead of “free software” seems very self-serving > You can’t become a competent programmer by using Windows or MacOS. Linux or BSD are your only real choice, because that’s where all the interesting development happens. uh excuse me?
> Calling this “libre software” instead of “free software” seems very self-serving How so? When talking to a non-technical audience my experience has been that the term "free software" is misinterpreted more often than not. If a name always requires an ancillary explanation ("...as in freedom, not beer") and collides with a common and wildly different meaning then it is not a good name. "Open Source" advocates realiz…
Re: New Hampshire on the cusp of enshrining software freedom into law
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Calling this “libre software” instead of “free software” seems very self-serving How so? When talking to a non-technical audience my experience has been that the term "free software" is misinterpreted more often than not. If a name always requires an ancillary explanation ("...as in freedom, not beer") and collides with a common and wildly different meaning then it is not a good name. "Open Source" advocates realiz…
Because the people doing it seem to run LibreOffice
After all, "libre software" has been used in English since the 1990s, the EU was writing legislation about libre software in the 2000s, the Free Software Foundation has hosted an annual LibrePlanet conference since 2006, and even gnu.org recommends using terms like "free (libre) software".