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Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by TomSwirly »

User23 wrote: post #27
auctoritas wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does JD Vance have anything to do with this

Here’s my attempt at a steel man: JD Vance is one of the bad guys on the bad guys team. Whenever bad things happen it’s the bad guys’ fault. I’m aware that sounds like a pretty poor alloy, but it’s internally consistent, matches the observables, and I can’t really honestly do better. Edit: The point of this is to explain what this derailment has to do with JD Vance. Any reply that fails to explain why JD Vance is som…

Translation: "I'm not going to bother to understand this issue. I'm going to talk down to people instead."

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by TomSwirly »

paulmd wrote: post #31
jprd wrote: post #2

It is _super_ weird how little attention this derailment seems to be attracting.

Which group of the wealthy/powerful would attention to this issue benefit? Like to be clear not only is it not an issue that's going to be addressed, the Biden administration is actually looking at loosening safety regulations further. Republicans are not going to go against industry. It's an industrial state that flagrantly does not care about pollution issues (like building a shopping mall on top of a toxic waste d…

Thank you for a well-reasoned (and well-written) argument.

I mean, it's depressing, even devastating, but it's better to know the truth.

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by Apocryphon »

orange_joe wrote: post #23

It's worth mentioning the backdrop of this is the current drive toward PSR (precision scheduled railroading), which has meant overworking train engineers with improved "efficiencies" through extremely long trains, and overworked employees. This has greatly increased the value of the train companies on the stock market, but at the expense of the workers (this came to a head a few months ago with pending labor strikes…

JIT for rails?

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

#104

Post by Apocryphon »

User23 wrote: post #27
auctoritas wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does JD Vance have anything to do with this

Here’s my attempt at a steel man: JD Vance is one of the bad guys on the bad guys team. Whenever bad things happen it’s the bad guys’ fault. I’m aware that sounds like a pretty poor alloy, but it’s internally consistent, matches the observables, and I can’t really honestly do better. Edit: The point of this is to explain what this derailment has to do with JD Vance. Any reply that fails to explain why JD Vance is som…

A straw man dressed up like a steel man, delicious

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by rightbyte »

ctrlaltdylan wrote: post #40

Grew up 30 miles west of East Palestine. My family is still there. So sad to see another struggling Midwest town dealt a death blow. It’s beautiful country even though it’s considered fly over and “blue collar” which is politically correct terminology for post-industrial poor. The EPA has roots from the Cuyahoga River fires. There was great progress made cleaning up the river and even turning portions of Northeast Oh…

Aha, that East Palestine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Palestine,_Ohio

Took a while for me to figure out the connection with Midwest towns.

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by iinnPP »

TomSwirly wrote: post #98
emodendroket wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit disappointed that none of the reporting on this incident I have come across is making these links.

Now you're asking that question, you might also ask why we saw more news stories days ago about this derailment in the European media than we did in the US.

And what else is lied about in the "news."

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by flandish »

mshake2 wrote: post #71
flandish wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A corporation always lies. Start there. See where the liability is, then see who they’ve donated to…

The EPA isn't a corporation?

The content of the cars was not owned by the epa. Look at how close those corps are to the epa.

Like the history of cigarette health. Or how axon claims tazers are safe by hiring docs to publish they are safe and inventing things like “excited delirium”…

Re: Health concerns mounting as animals become sick after train derailment

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Post by sdiacom »

TomSwirly wrote: post #98
emodendroket wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a bit disappointed that none of the reporting on this incident I have come across is making these links.

Now you're asking that question, you might also ask why we saw more news stories days ago about this derailment in the European media than we did in the US.

The media news cycle in the US was literally staring at a balloon in the sky for days. It's as unsubtle of a distraction from real issues as it can get.
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