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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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what does the battery health on the settings app say?

I don't think I have a battery health in settings. The apple store guy ran some sort of remote diagnostic (and there is no way it is at 100% after 4 years of daily usage). My point being that you can't really change those batteries on demand.

Try another store. The guy might be trying to sell you a new device.

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Battery life (especially idle battery life) and feeling responsive are all I care about. iOS devices have usually done far better on those fronts while having smaller batteries and weaker hardware compared with Android devices, so, yeah, super don't care about it benchmarking as faster than an Android device. Can I still put it on my nightstand at 10pm with 15% battery and have my alarm go off at 8AM with 8-9% charge…

Pretty much any phone would only take 5% over 6-8 hours if being inactive and just waiting for an alarm to go off.

Has Android gotten a lot better on that front? Last I developed for Android was after they had some big push to improve battery life and they were still a ton worse.

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I can't understand who are the people that care about smartphone performance.

I do every computation and gaming outside my phone.

My Xiaomi Redmi Note 8 from 3 years ago feels as good as when I bought it when reading the net, watching youtube, chatting, emailing or editing pictures.

And my Redmi scores 300 in the same Benchmark, where the S22 scores 900, the S23 1500 and the iPhone 14 Pro 1900.

Maybe JS performance could be slightly better? But I rarely navigate to such poorly optimized websites.

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Isn't Geekbench always been very biased towards Apple silicon?

The evidence is that Geekbench isn't biased towards Apple Silicon given that other benchmarks agree.

For example, AnandTech runs a bunch of SPEC CPU benchmarks and found that the Apple A15 was a lot faster than the Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 or Exynos 2100 (all 2021 processors): https://www.anandtech.com/show/16983/the-apple-a15-soc-perfo.... You can check the second page for graphics benchmarks.

Apple has been making their own CPU cores for a while while Qualcomm and Samsung are both using the ARM-designed cores. In the case of the above benchmarks, both the Snapdragon and Exynos are using the Cortex-X1 cores from ARM. Google's Tensor processor also uses ARM's X1 cores. Newer Snapdragon processors like the 8 Gen 1 and 8 Gen 2 have used X2 and X3 cores.

Apple's ability to produce their own CPU designs has been a big win for them, especially for single-core performance (really important for the majority of what people do with their phones including web/javascript) and for power efficiency (really important for the vast majority of time when users might be using their devices, but not in a taxing way).

Apple's custom CPU cores give them a real advantage.

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iphone 12 mini has been my favorite phone I've ever owned, and coincidentally the first iphone I've ever owned.

It starts with one gadget. Then you buy the second Apple device, and find that they work fantastically together. Soon, you're in an all-Apple household!

>>Then you buy the second Apple device

"Then you are forced to buy the second Apple device" :)

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> Faster performance today means longer lasting tomorrow. I wish this was true for my old Android phone. I still have a OnePlus5 lying in my drawer, which still has stellar performance, but doesn't get any new software features.

If you can unlock the bootloader, it looks like LineageOS is still serving up fresh builds for it: [bad link, i removed it]

I installed LineageOS on my OnePlus 6 also because of lack of software updates.

My experience was mixed: it works great, even my banking app. *Except* for the camera. The default camera app took blurry pictures; Google Cam from the app store cropped significantly from the preview; and the custom Google Cam made for OnePlus 6 couldn't use the front camera.

No amount of tweaking gave me anything close to what the original OS had.

In the end my phone's camera is one of the most important features, so I got a new one.

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Why would I want any of that? We are talking phones here, not computers.

You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable. You would want Gecko if you like arbitrary extensions - sure, iOS lets you have (somewhat weaker) adblock, but there's a whole world of useful extensions beyond that. And you'd want to run arbitrary code on a machine you own because phones are computers, and some of us like to be able to use less-hobbled software on them.

>You would want a USB-C connector so you can drive every device you own with one cable

I have a shitton of hardware and cables that I'm not going to throw away just for some connector that will be phased out in ten years.

>You would want Gecko if you like arbitrary extensions

On my desktop, sure. On my phone? Why bother?

>And you'd want to run arbitrary code on a machine you own because phones are computers

Disagree.

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I like my slower android in which I can run my browser engine of choice, install any program I want in an easy way without time limitations and customize it in general as I want. Did I mention that it has a USB-C connector too? Disclaimer: I have an old iphone, used iphone 11 for weeks then went back to Android and I daily drive a M1 Pro Macbook

Why would I want any of that? We are talking phones here, not computers.

Phones are computers.

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This doesn't really showcase how much Apple's chips are as much as how far Qualcom has fallen behind. On the other hand, the results also show how much work Apple will need to put into their GPUs, as the clearly inferior chip is still beating the iPhone 14 hands down in terms of GPU horsepower. The relevant review, though, is performance per watt. This video ( https://youtu.be/s0ukXDnWlTY ) from a few months ago expl…

Performance per watt only matters until you hit 1+ day battery life in regular usage.

Beyond that, who cares?

It also wouldn't matter if the thing could recharge super fast.

The M1/M2 laptops have done this, I noticed that people who used to bring chargers with them at conferences/meetings don't even bother anymore, or don't bring it out of the bag.

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0. does it have a stylus / pen? If not, unacceptable. Ergo, all iPhones are unacceptable. (Yes, I used to work at EO, running the GO PenPoint Operating System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenPoint_OS?useskin=vector , and also worked at GRiD, putting wireless LAN into the GRiDPAD RC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GRiDPad?useskin=vector . I like pens. I might be biased.)

> 0. does it have a stylus / pen? All modern touch screen phones are compatible with a stylus. I'm sure it would be harder to find one that isn't. The accuracy may not be the best on budget models. Unless you mean _is a stylus / pen included with the phone_?

You won't have much luck trying to combine an official Apple stylus with an iPhone. It's kind of a shame with how big phones have gotten over the years.

Samsung has some phones that have the necessary screen support for their styluses, sometimes even if the phone didn't come with one, but that's only in very few models.

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