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Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by afavour »

maccard wrote: post #92
corywatilo wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC they had recently added a user cap on self-serve customers which was new and led to this. The new pricing deck they sent was "It will be $3,500/mo, but until the end of the month, you can get it for only $2,500!" (Pricing approx.) $2,500/mo to host a static site is ludicrous.

> $2,500/mo to host a static site is ludicrous. But it's not to host a static site, it's one click CD, multiple environments, global CDN, and a few more things. I'm not going to say how mu h it is worth, but if you just want a static site with a domain you can do it for free/sub $10 on many many providers.

Sounds like the OP didn't ask for or want those things. I think it's reasonable to be annoyed that a cheap tier that provides exactly what you want and nothing more has been taken away.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by rsstack »

rich_harris wrote: post #94
rsstack wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how they all worked before being acquired. SK is Vercel now too and we don't know yet how it'll change over time.

Svelte creator and Vercel employee here. Vercel does indeed invest heavily in Svelte and SvelteKit, not least by employing me and Simon Holthausen (and potentially others in future), but there's no danger of lock-in — we're just two members of a much larger core team. Governance-wise, it's an independent project, and we'd be thrilled if other companies also chose to employ core team members! You can see pull requests…

First, I appreciate your response (and overall your life work - we're Svelte.js users, about 60% of our source code is in Svelte, and we have a couple of non-critical-path SvelteKit apps).

While Vercel's intentions are good, and your personal intentions are beyond reproach, this strategy all but ensures eventual vendor lock-in without explicitly saying so. Vercel's compatibility will increase over time and other vendors will have best-effort implementations of certain features, but never the complete feature matrix. The industry (esp. medium/large companies) will quickly pick on the relation of "Vercel is needed for ease of mind when using SvelteKit in production", as I've heard from many companies considering/using Next.js. Do people use Next.js without Vercel? Yes. Do companies evaluating Next.js consider it vendor-locked? If they're experienced, yes.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

#103

Post by CharlesW »

In case Netlify folks are reading: I feel like this was written by someone who lives and breathes "composable web architectures" to the point that they forgot to mention what they are, why they're interesting, and how Netlify's support for them is unique.

I think it just means that you can use different stuff together, but I'm having a hard time piecing together how that's new, and why Netlify purchased Gatsby to do this.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by bilater »

Likely was an acquihire because Gatsby has been dying for a while now. It was my first (post CRA) React framework so I used to have love for it and its been sad to see its decline.

Netfliy is still keeping up for the most part with Vercel though it is definitely behind. My biggest pet peeve with both companies is their pricing model on bandwidth. 1 TB free and then they charge 40-55 bucks for every additional 100GB! That just seems so lop sided to me.

And I can tell you from working at companies that use them that this usually compounds fairly quickly for medium to high traffic sites and you end up paying a lot. It's still worth it (especially if you compare against the dev time to keep things running smoothly) but wish it was cheaper.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by pgm8705 »

bradgessler wrote: post #70
corywatilo wrote: post #69

Netlify lost my trust a year ago when they tried to increase our company's pricing more than 10x. (We were paying ~$200/mo, then they tried to force us into a $2,500+ plan because we were 1 seat over their self-serve threshold.) From my perspective, they were adding features just to find ways to grow revenue. (I get it, you don't have a huge moat by simply hosting static sites.) But their features seemed very out of…

Is there a “back to the basics” company or offering for hosting static sites that is essentially what Netlify was when it launched?

Digital Ocean's App Platform looks to still do basic static sites at a reasonable rate (free for up to 3 sites). I've been a very happy App Platform customer, although not using static sites.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by ascorbic »

rich_harris wrote: post #94
rsstack wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's how they all worked before being acquired. SK is Vercel now too and we don't know yet how it'll change over time.

Svelte creator and Vercel employee here. Vercel does indeed invest heavily in Svelte and SvelteKit, not least by employing me and Simon Holthausen (and potentially others in future), but there's no danger of lock-in — we're just two members of a much larger core team. Governance-wise, it's an independent project, and we'd be thrilled if other companies also chose to employ core team members! You can see pull requests…

As the Netlify engineer that Rich @'d, I can back him up on this. SvelteKit is still admirably platform agnostic. In fact I think it supported Netlify Edge Functions before it did Vercel's!

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by lukeingalls »

The story of gatsby based on stackoverflow polls isn't so good. In 2020 they are (60% loved)[https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-mo...] in 2021 (its 48%)[https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-mo...] and 2022 (is 35%)[https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#technology-mo...]

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by lynndylanhurley »

corywatilo wrote: post #69

Netlify lost my trust a year ago when they tried to increase our company's pricing more than 10x. (We were paying ~$200/mo, then they tried to force us into a $2,500+ plan because we were 1 seat over their self-serve threshold.) From my perspective, they were adding features just to find ways to grow revenue. (I get it, you don't have a huge moat by simply hosting static sites.) But their features seemed very out of…

They did this to us as well. And not only this, but they blocked our ability to push new releases until we opted into the new plan. And this literally happened on the day of a major release for our biggest client. It felt like we were being held at gunpoint.

We called them and begged them to give us an extension so we could perform the release, and their sales rep treated us like we were the irresponsible ones for not reading the emails they had sent us carefully enough.

We've since moved to Vercel and will never use Netlify again because of the way they managed this.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by whatshisface »

rsstack wrote: post #102
rich_harris wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Svelte creator and Vercel employee here. Vercel does indeed invest heavily in Svelte and SvelteKit, not least by employing me and Simon Holthausen (and potentially others in future), but there's no danger of lock-in — we're just two members of a much larger core team. Governance-wise, it's an independent project, and we'd be thrilled if other companies also chose to employ core team members! You can see pull requests…

First, I appreciate your response (and overall your life work - we're Svelte.js users, about 60% of our source code is in Svelte, and we have a couple of non-critical-path SvelteKit apps). While Vercel's intentions are good, and your personal intentions are beyond reproach, this strategy all but ensures eventual vendor lock-in without explicitly saying so. Vercel's compatibility will increase over time and other vend…

The way adapters work in SvelteKit doesn't change very fast, in fact it's stable enough that community-created adapters for things like Google Cloud can keep up just with volunteer effort. I do not think what you're describing will happen.

Re: Netlify acquires Gatsby

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Post by [deleted] »

awestroke wrote: post #27
lechacker wrote: post #21

Didn't Netlify have layoffs recently? Wouldn't expect a non-public company that needed to layoff +10% of their workforce to have the kind of cash to buy out another company.

Layoffs are rarely done because off lack of cash. It's just cost cutting to increase shareholder profits. An investment means potential revenue growth

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