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Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by n0tth3dro1ds »

countercul wrote: post #78

Having the median beliefs and political opinions of your grandparents is counter culture enough that you will be banned from pretty much any social media website.

Grandparents? How about Obama (or most mainstream Dems) from ~2006

>against gay marriage

>against illegal immigration, supported erecting physical barriers

>pro wars in Middle East

You surely do not need to go back two generations to get shrieked out of a room. Just dip back ~10 - 15 years into mainstream Democrat positioning.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by seydor »

cheschire wrote: post #79
seydor wrote: post #2

The moment in which techies realize that they became the mainstream, and counterculture is elsewhere.

I’ve been wondering for a few years… was Big Bang Theory the instigator or the indicator?

indicator

Same with 'The silicon valley'. When something becomes a movie, it's already ending its hype cycle

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by yadoomerta »

neonnoodle wrote: post #71

The medium is the message dudes. At this point in history, what will qualify a true counterculture is NOT BEING ONLINE. Whatever the true counterculture will be, it won’t be subject to the Internet and its all-seeing eye. It won’t be made out of memes and flame wars. No matter what the political bent, we’re all very much a captive audience online. “Master’s house/master’s tools” and all that.

perfect comment <3

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by n0tth3dro1ds »

barneygale wrote: post #97
n0tth3dro1ds wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>BLM >LGBT >counter culture Endlessly supported by literally every news outlet, major tech company, big 5 sports league, F1000, university, and at least half of the political class. You’re not counter to any major institution, lmao. You’re not the resistance

> BLM > Endlessly supported Black people are still being murdered by police every day in America.

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by yadoomerta »

YurgenJurgensen wrote: post #99
cfltlayoffs wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such a superficial understanding of "support". They make their logo rainbow for a month. None of the groups you mentioned support police abolition, prison abolition, for instance. Police budgets still go up. Homeless encampments still get bulldozed. Black people are still killed by police. Capitalists have co-opted the least disruptive demands of advocates in an attempt to draw attention away from the actual…

If your culture is well-known enough and seen as desirable enough that you start having to no-true-scotsman to differentiate between the corporate poseurs and the true believers, it's a pretty strong sign that you're not a counterculture anymore. People don't try to fake having low cultural status.

imo that's the problem - everything gets corporate poseurs so quickly now could just be i'm out of touch and the countercultures have successfully hidden from me tho

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by willcipriano »

adamcharnock wrote: post #20

I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

> There is a huge non-obvious culture of LQBTQIA

Take a look at Twitter on pride month, even Raytheon changes their logo to a rainbow version. That stuff is so mainstream it hurts. It's a counterculture in Saudi Arabia where the logos don't change and they throw gay people off of buildings, but in the US/Europe it's part of the dominant culture.

Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by [deleted] »

adamcharnock wrote: post #20

I'm pretty sure I've been existing in a number of counter-cultures for the last decade or two. These have been either linked to my identity or physical location, I couldn't have properly experienced them through consuming media on the subject. Certainly all required an active choice and/or lifestyle change on my part. Maybe people mean something else by counter-culture, but here are examples from my life: - Freelanci…

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Re: Do we live in a society without a counterculture?

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Post by chasd00 »

bjt2n3904 wrote: post #96
machina_ex_deus wrote: post #85

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The thing that really shocked me was watching an episode of South Park. The boys all got into airsoft, and really enjoyed it (in contrast to a bunch of older jaded teens that used drugs and were largely miserable.) The dads weren't sure about letting their boys play, but when they saw the teens picking on their kids, went and bought a bunch of tactical gear and airsoft guns and went on the field with their kids. Oh,…

That shown has been around for a long time and has changed a lot. When they folded and censored their own episode criticizing extremest Islam they lost a lot of edge/credibility.
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