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All you have to do to avoid the FSD safety issues is spend $10,000 less dollars and not get it. Also I wouldn't count on the CEOs of Hyundai/Ford being less gross than Elon, they just tweet less, which is good.
Phantom braking doesn't require FSD.
Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations
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Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations
#102Electrify America is getting far too much money and is using it to effectively anti-sell EVs with their janky, broken, and insecure infrastructure. Their funding comes from government subsidies and traditional automakers making reparations for emissions scandals (Volkswagen, $2B). This network is basically being built out of malicious compliance, without reasonable desires to make it good and reliable... My mind will…
Really seems like perverse incentives to me... EA was created due to the VW scandal, and they were forced to spend this money this way. Except, VW's bread and butter is still gas cars. They're not incentivized to herald EVs at all; if anything, they'd prefer it to go as slowly as possible so they can continue to make money off their gas fleet.
VW has repeatedly stated that they aim to stop producing ICEs by 2035.
This is very likely to happen considering that the EU wants to ban registrations of ICE powered cars in the same year.
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#103Gas pumps get periodic state issued inspections. Why not EV chargers?
"Gas pumps get periodic state issued inspections. Why not EV chargers?" From an infrastructure standpoint a gas pump (and related tubing, tanks, filters, nozzles, etc.) is quite a bit more complicated and fragile than a charging receptacle. A charging station really shouldn't be much more complicated than a streetlight, minus the UI and billing components. All of this to say: I don't know how often electric charge st…
You might be thinking of a level 2 AC charger which is really just an intelligent relay, but a DC fast charger is a completely different animal. It has to take 400-600VAC and convert it to variable voltage, variable amperage DC and serve it to a very temperamental load. The cables themselves are liquid cooled. Much more complicated than pumping a metered liquid.
Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations
#104Looking forward to a teardown of an EA charger by someone familiar with power circuits. I wonder if they are shorting primary to secondary and getting 2400V AC straight into their car battery... Probably welding the plug to the car too.
The high power ones are putting DC into the car for starters.
The two extra prongs are the DC.
Conversion would generally prevent the issue you cite. They are converting three phase ac, and usually only 480v. Isolation failure would not fry the car like this because it would fault first. They are separate ac and DC cabinets with proper controls.
It may still be overvolting the DC, just not this particular way. It is much more likely the rectifier is fucked or something.
Placing 300kw (or even 150kw) of DC at like 4x the right voltage would make more than just a loud bang. It would instantly melt most insulation, for starters.
The bang is an mccb or something catching the fucked up rectifier
These cars likely got overvolt at light amperage. Otherwise lots of things would have sparked and burst into flame
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#105I will never buy a Tesla, but the CCS network is pretty garbage in the U.S. right now. EA regularly has outages, their newer models (which I have not used) fry vehicles or fail in cold weather, I've only heard bad things about EVGo but never used them. Fortunately I stick to home (Metro Boston) and haven't had any serious problems with ChargePoint stations heading up to Mount Desert Island in Maine, the farthest trip…
I bought a Tesla mostly for the charging network. I didn't want "Autopilot" and refuse to have the terrible controls (oe rather lack of controls) on the 3/Y, so I found a used S (2018) that suits my needs pretty well. The software is pretty bad IMO, but it never feels like I can't operate the car as a car due to those issues. I'm still glad I didn't get locked into a Google-owned Android Automotive, which I imagine will be evil at some point, or maybe even abandoned entirely.
I WAS planning to get the CCS upgrade, to diversify my charging options, but I think I'll stick with Tesla's network for now...
Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations
#106I will never buy a Tesla, but the CCS network is pretty garbage in the U.S. right now. EA regularly has outages, their newer models (which I have not used) fry vehicles or fail in cold weather, I've only heard bad things about EVGo but never used them. Fortunately I stick to home (Metro Boston) and haven't had any serious problems with ChargePoint stations heading up to Mount Desert Island in Maine, the farthest trip…
I thought I didn't want to buy another Tesla myself, but I have encountered so many issues with other networks over many years of driving a Nissan Leaf, and seeing this reinforces Tesla's charging network supremacy. The Tesla chargers have been incredibly reliable. Just don't turn autopilot on when you are back on the road.
Tesla's "base" package for lane keeping is great (and on par with other major auto manufactures) and probably sufficient for most users. Save thousands of dollars.
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#107One often over looked aspect of EVs are their relative fragility compared to a ICE vehicle. I see it as an analog/digital divide. You can get an ICE to temporarily run with all sorts of deficits, incorrect inputs, or hacks. It will still kinda work. EVs are way more digital. If one thing in the chain breaks the bit flips to false and you're done until the tow truck comes and an expert with special, secret knowledge a…
As someone who has literally cut and crimped fuel lines to cut off a cylinder, used JBWeld to temp seal heads and blocks, pulled injectors, disconnected spark plugs etc etc to get something to limp back home.. yep. My main beef with EVs (and I own a Chevy Volt PHEV that I /adore/) is the fact they are rolling blackboxes. My Volt is the least shadetree mechanic friendly vehicle I have owned other than maybe my VehiCRO…
You’re complaining about a car that has both ice and EV components. Of course it’s going to be a pain in the ass to work on.
Re: Electrify America “fries” EVs at charging stations
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
EA is .40/kw or $.31/kw + $4/mo membership. Our electrical utility in the south is $.13-.17/kw So to fill a Tesla battery from near empty to full ~80kwH is around $25.
You get 250 mileage? Seems like a draw with a diesel car
Diesel is ~$5/gal in these parts. If you average 40mpg That's about $31/250miles. Or 19% higher than an EV. And for the unscrupulous stations charging $6/gal for diesel its 33% higher. Doesn't seem like much of a draw to me.
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#109This is particularly disturbing because often EA chargers are the only reliable fast chargers around for CCS, so it's not like you can just avoid them for another network on a long trip.
I’m somewhat surprised there aren’t more EV (DC) charging companies around. There are dozens of various oil companies who have their own gas stations (subsidized by the oil industry?). Why don’t we see more electric companies building their own charging networks as well?
Non of these companies except Tesla is making money on this. Setting up the infrastructure, dealing with licensing, maintenance its a huge bother and the electronics required doesn't come cheap and is production limited.
So the reality is this is a money losing business and will be for years to come.
Electric utilities are pretty local and this only really makes sense as a large system.
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Time to rediscover the drive-in restaurant. Only in 2023, it has: 1. Fast charging in every spot; 2. Espresso and high-margin dessert-in-a-cup drinks served right to your vehicle; 3. Free high-speed unlimited WiFi for customers. Why get out of your car to walk to the restaurant next door? Connect to the free WiFi, turn on the charging, and place your order. Then relax in your car and leave a low-effort comment on Hac…
Add a high-tech charging dock or a self inserting charging snake and you don't even have to get out of the car.
I believe the OP was talking about the old style drive-through where you parked and the server came to your vehicle to take your order. The order taker can plug your car in for you too.
What an "interesting" combination of high tech and low tech...