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Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Azure AD is a nightmare. I don't know how many of you sign in to multiple tenants in the console, but it generally involves buying a new computer.

It involves a lot of private browsing sessions which is actually MS's recommendation! What a PITA.

Nah I just set up a 2nd browser profile, and they both stay signed in. It’s a breeze.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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And the companies are forced to due to huge contracts with Microsoft

Nothing is forcing companies to sign an Azure contract with Microsoft, and go with AWS or GCP instead. Perhaps they are just doing something right. But I didn't use Azure myself. I'd be curious to know what's good or bad about it compared to GCP and AWS.

For a development team, here's an example of something good about Azure: Microsoft gives us dev accounts with monthly Azure credits (e.g. $100) and you cannot spend more when those credits run out because there is no credit card etc. behind that account to charge the excess.

Azure just like other cloud services (I've used AWS but as I understand it GCP is the same) doesn't believe in timely billing. You can and will receive charges against an account for services that were turned off yesterday, the day before, even last week, as gradually billing catches up to reality. This means that there is no way to actually cap a budget. If you decide "Once this costs $100 I'm turning it off" you are not capping your expense at $100, after you turn it off charges keep arriving, I've seen a week later and I wouldn't be surprised if it can be longer. Should they do that? Well, even if they shouldn't, good luck making them stop.

But with the "free" Azure credits that have no money behind them, when it drops dead Microsoft eats all the residual charges that will be discovered days or weeks later, because there is no other party for them to bill.

I work for a University, I suspect that if you paid full price for these services it makes no economic sense, a $100 Azure credit that cost $100 is a bad deal, but the University gets an enormous discount, for obvious reasons, and if the other cloud vendors don't want to offer actual billing it does feel like they deserve the consequences.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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It's updated now - updates for service outages at this level generally need signoff form someone higher up the chain

Someone has to "approve" the status pages showing what's actually happening? From a customer perspective, it seems far worse to have status pages fail to reflect actual outages than to have them accidentally report an outage when there isn't one because no one really cares about what the status page says if they're not having issues. It's hard to see how the goal here could be anything other than trying to add plausi…

You can't approve a fact.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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No, it's not automated. I'm sure the underlying tech is automated, but once companies grow beyond a certain size, it needs a human to say "show this status change to the world" because there are lots of things depending on it (e.g. SLAs, but also bonuses, I assume), so they don't want a potential bug in the status system to influence that. It's weird how slow they are with manual sign-off though.

I haven't seen any SLA deal that says the status page must show 99.9% uptime...

No but if msft’s own status page shows downtime more than 0.01% of the time msft will struggle to argue they haven’t breached their SLA, so financial consequences to the company.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Critical infrastructure cannot be reliant on a cloud (or internet availability, if possible). In most EU countries that's a law.

Do you have any good resource summarizing these laws?

No, sorry. If you are adventorous enough, look at Latvia with Google translate and search for "critical infrastructure" at https://likumi.lv

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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I have to wonder what you were doing, I've been continuously hosting my own projects there for years and with the free tier they cost pennies per month to run.

"and with the free tier they cost pennies per month" Is it free or not?

You pay for the resources you use above the free tier limits. My bill for this month so far is 30 cents because I deployed frequently and my docker artifact storage size (with several years worth of deployments) dipped above the limit. Then I added a periodic job to clear out unused docker images older than one year and I'm running for free again.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Azure is the most developer hostile cloud environment. I have zero sympathy for people being affected by this because if you voluntarily use Azure then this is what you deserve. Sorry for being so miserable, but Azure has given me soooo much grief over the last 10 years that I'm just completely done with this shitshow of a platform.

Many companies use Active Directory. The new kid in the block is Azure Active Directory (AAD), which is the evolution of the self-hosted Windows Servers. Since many companies rely on it, especially for role base access to internal resources, you can't avoid it as a developer/employee.

Azure Active Directory is not Active Directory but on Azure.

Re: Microsoft Azure Outage

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Azure is the most developer hostile cloud environment. I have zero sympathy for people being affected by this because if you voluntarily use Azure then this is what you deserve. Sorry for being so miserable, but Azure has given me soooo much grief over the last 10 years that I'm just completely done with this shitshow of a platform.

as if developers have a choice.

Microsoft just has found how to sell Azure: scare compliance teams that AWS and GCP are horrible, especially in EU and banking. Use their office monopoly to give huge discounts if you buy as a bundle, and be awesome on comparison charts. They check all the boxes of services they offer. For an exec, it doesn't count how well those services are executed, thats a developer problem that a system integrator will solve.

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