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Post by mansoon »

sterlind wrote: post #98
mansoon wrote: post #81

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This is regularly deprived for the mentally ill. Either humans have this right or don't.

only the Sith deal in absolutes. schizophrenics often reject medication in the midst of psychosis, while agreeing it's necessary when they're lucid. lots of addicts genuinely want to kick the habit, but their willpower fails them. drugs like disulfiram and naltrexone can help by making highs unpleasant or unattainable. sex offenders who abuse minors are sometimes chemically castrated with GnRH agonists as part of the…

I do not hold those views, but I respect your right to state that you have them, and be met with an understanding that that is the case, and that I don't have the right to change your mind by violence.

Re: WEF speaker touts tech that allows your boss to monitor your brain activity

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Post by mansoon »

sterlind wrote: post #98
mansoon wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is regularly deprived for the mentally ill. Either humans have this right or don't.

only the Sith deal in absolutes. schizophrenics often reject medication in the midst of psychosis, while agreeing it's necessary when they're lucid. lots of addicts genuinely want to kick the habit, but their willpower fails them. drugs like disulfiram and naltrexone can help by making highs unpleasant or unattainable. sex offenders who abuse minors are sometimes chemically castrated with GnRH agonists as part of the…

Is someone diagnosed with Schzophrenia allowed to disagree with you?

Re: WEF speaker touts tech that allows your boss to monitor your brain activity

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Post by bloqs »

upstarter wrote: post #42

The boss of the WEF, Klaus Schwab, publicly said "In 2030, you will own nothing and you will be happy." Let that sink in. That's how psychopathic those people are.

The amount of people that see this tidbit on facebook from this website and parrot it without concern for the actual speaker or the context she said it in is concerning. You people are supposed to be intelligent

Re: WEF speaker touts tech that allows your boss to monitor your brain activity

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Post by mansoon »

mansoon wrote: post #102
sterlind wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

only the Sith deal in absolutes. schizophrenics often reject medication in the midst of psychosis, while agreeing it's necessary when they're lucid. lots of addicts genuinely want to kick the habit, but their willpower fails them. drugs like disulfiram and naltrexone can help by making highs unpleasant or unattainable. sex offenders who abuse minors are sometimes chemically castrated with GnRH agonists as part of the…

Is someone diagnosed with Schzophrenia allowed to disagree with you?

It always comes down to absolutes, if you're sifting the question finely enough (warning, at some point this process will distort the grains, and you won't be processing reality anymore, but the result of your own mind, the cycle is fatal).

Anyway. This moment is a _very_ direct test of this question. Answering it, or more carefully, your emotional reaction on reading this, will expose some of your absolutes.

Re: WEF speaker touts tech that allows your boss to monitor your brain activity

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Post by Quarrelsome »

EEBio wrote: post #100
Quarrelsome wrote: post #44

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Imagine you're a 12 year old in 2065 forced to wear a shocking device that forces you to "pay attention" in class but for whatever reason it incorrectly identifies you as never paying attention. You could argue that it is poorly made but perhaps the model was trained in a rush because it was a cheap, knock-off produced en-masse for school-scale. Even if its well-made; imagine you're some 1 in a 1,000,000 non-typical.…

Hopefully this will never be the case. On the other hand it can be used to detect micro sleep in drivers and there it can save lives. So yeah, as with any tech you can use it for good or bad and you should not use it for everything

I don't think it will solve the micro sleep problem because that's arguably more of a political issue than a technical one. The issue is rarely the drivers trying to drive till they drop but rather the businesses themselves trying to force the drivers to take on extra shifts (due to lack of drivers) or drive longer to deliver sooner rather than sleeping. In such cases in the future people will find a way to simply turn off the checks and still crash.

Regardless these long-haul issues should be resolved by automated driving anyway given that long highway journeys are a decent use-case for automation.

Re: WEF speaker touts tech that allows your boss to monitor your brain activity

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Post by bluefirebrand »

YeBanKo wrote: post #22
anonymouse008 wrote: post #14

I worked on custom EEGs and all I have to say is, "so long and thanks for all the fish!" Seriously though, is this really what this beautiful tech will end up being!? Come on people - have some humanity - think beyond these neanderthal brain use cases. These examples show little imagination, almost as if they are already shepherded by an AI. This tech could create true equality like nothing we've ever seen. No matter…

> That means knowing what subjects and concepts you can commit to memory with a gifted efficiency!! Imagine the sorting hat coming to you and picking you out to join the guild of X or Y! You are describing Isaac Asimov’s novel “Profession”.

I was thinking this sounded a bit like Gattaca myself (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca)

Except measuring brainwaves instead of genetics.

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Post by TeeMassive »

tptacek wrote: post #96
TeeMassive wrote: post #95

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> The links you've pasted here make my case for me. Canada sponsored a series of TED talks The links I've posted are not talks... Show me where the Government of Canada has actual agreements with TED to enact, decide or orientate policy. > Therefore: the WEF has "infiltrated" governments around the world. My source is the head of the WEF. > Important people show up at Davos because it's a networking event This doesn'…

If the head of the TED Talks organization claimed he had infiltrated world governments, I'd take it equivalently seriously.

The head of TED doesn't invite government officials around the world every year to make official agreements on policy.

Re: WEF speaker touts tech that allows your boss to monitor your brain activity

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Post by tptacek »

TeeMassive wrote: post #107
tptacek wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the head of the TED Talks organization claimed he had infiltrated world governments, I'd take it equivalently seriously.

The head of TED doesn't invite government officials around the world every year to make official agreements on policy.

Citation needed.

Matthew Yglesias probably has more impact on policy than the WEF does. That's not a compliment to Yglesias.

Re: WEF speaker touts tech that allows your boss to monitor your brain activity

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Post by LarryMullins »

tptacek wrote: post #61
LarryMullins wrote: post #6

WEF are either completely tone deaf, or they're playing the role of the heel. "You will own nothing and you will be happy."

People with strong opinions about the World Economic Forum tend not to know (let alone understand) what it is. It isn't the Stonecutter's Lodge; it's something closer to the TED Talks organization. It's random executives networking and trying to make themselves seem more important than they are. Fun fact: companies that participate in the WEF underperform the S&P.

TED is a cult.

Re: WEF speaker touts tech that allows your boss to monitor your brain activity

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Post by sterlind »

mansoon wrote: post #104
mansoon wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is someone diagnosed with Schzophrenia allowed to disagree with you?

It always comes down to absolutes, if you're sifting the question finely enough (warning, at some point this process will distort the grains, and you won't be processing reality anymore, but the result of your own mind, the cycle is fatal). Anyway. This moment is a _very_ direct test of this question. Answering it, or more carefully, your emotional reaction on reading this, will expose some of your absolutes.

I've had a friend go off psych meds for religious reasons (Christian Science) and nearly die (waxy catatonia from severe bipolar), so my objectivity is impaired. however:

my rule of thumb is that if the patient, after being returned to lucidity by meds, agrees in retrospect that meds were necessary, then it's the right call.

the other exception is if the person is at substantial risk of hurting others if unmedicated. then the violence of mandated medication is warranted.

barring that, if someone on psych meds wants to go back off them, I wouldn't prevent them from doing so.

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