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Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

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Re: Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

#101

Back during the great depression, Milton Hershey went to great lengths to not have to fire his employees. Those days are looooooong gone.

HP did this back in the 80s also, we were working 9 of 10 days to avoid layoffs

Yeah. Companies used to grant you leave or organize otherwise rather than a straight layoff.

Re: Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

#102

Is Microsoft laying off executives too? Or will this only affect the rank and file? IME, if the company does not let go of executives, they are just tagging along with their peer companies on the layoff train. If they do make cuts at the VP/SVP level then the company really does have margin/profitability issues.

They’re laying people off because it’s cool to lay people off. Layoffs are social, not economical.

https://news.stanford.edu/2022/12/05/explains-recent-tech-la...

Re: Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

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It’s been said time and time again. During growth, you make big plans and you invest in growth. You hire people to build new things. Oh snap. Growth is gone. You cancel your lofty plans and you stick with things that are working. Anyone who was hired for grand plan things is a burden and let go. Sure. Some under performers too, but I don’t think this current wave in the cycle is the end of software eating the world.

When money is cheap it makes sense to invest in low ROI ideas. When monety stops being cheap it makes sense to stop.

But money is still cheap, at least in the US. The US inflation rate was 6.5% at the end of 2022, and the interest rate was 4.5%. It's just not as cheap.

Re: Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

#104

MSFT manager of 25+ person team here with no actual heads up on this. The writing has been on the wall for months though from internal comms so this should come as a surprise to no one. No one on my team has any information about this beyond the Satya email, so this is either a "no news is good news" situation (assuming you don't actually want to be laid off), or a poorly executed process. I'm hoping for the former f…

> ...with some notifications happening today.

I guess there are complexities with huge multinational companies, but that seems kind of designed to make people like your team worry.

Re: Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

#105

MSFT manager of 25+ person team here with no actual heads up on this. The writing has been on the wall for months though from internal comms so this should come as a surprise to no one. No one on my team has any information about this beyond the Satya email, so this is either a "no news is good news" situation (assuming you don't actually want to be laid off), or a poorly executed process. I'm hoping for the former f…

How can you actually signal you want to be laid off? Is that something you say when the news goes out? Loads of "NoFuture" cooperate punk in the FAMG. Monopoly does not make the work interesting.

Re: Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

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It echoes of Steve Ballmer. I hate it when head honchoes try and get cozy with you by signing off with their First Name only --way to take the name away from anyone else in the company with the same name. 99% of the people in a large company like that never met you and don't know you on a first-name basis.

It's an attempted mind fuck to disguise the true power dynamic. If they say "we're making cuts, you're done. Leave your laptop on your desk and clear off", it's clear what the power dynamic is. Instead they present themselves as your friend. Even if you don't believe it, social norms dictate that in general you act like you do. Like Zizek says, "fuck you, you're a boss, act like it!". Then you're unsure of what's hap…

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Re: Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

#107

There was a sentiment in an earlier discussion [0] that this is "a war on tech wages" but for years the argument was that tech will make many other jobs obsolete (which would justify wage growth for tech employees). Remember, e.g., the Jack Ma era and his proclamations that we should all get into arts because tech will take care of the rest? Is the current round of layoffs an admission that the "software will eat the…

But the arts are being automated too lol

Re: Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

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They could all take massive pay cuts to preserve jobs. They have agency and they have chosen to enrich their stock price at the expense of people’s lives and well being.

Contrary to popular belief, at a company the size of MSFT - the execs could drop all their wages to $0 - and it would not be able to save 5% of the workforce from getting fired. The execs get paid a lot - but there's not that many of them, and there's 200k people at MSFT making an average salary (with benefits) >$200k. That's >$40B per year. The execs don't take home >$2B per year. Satya made <$60M last year. There's…

MS c-suite makes a total of roughly ~$135,244,086, the board of directors make a total of about $4m (gates takes no salary at all, btw).

This 10k layoff, at an average salary of 190,302, is about $2b a year. So yeah not quite - but for them to suffer no consequences is still pretty gross.

Re: Microsoft to lay off 10k workers

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Microsoft net income 2022: ~$70B. Why force pay cuts or fire workers when you have roughly $300k of net income per employee to work with?

Why make a profit when you can pay your employees >100% of your revenue and just go into debt instead? It's not how business works. You hire people if you need people, and you pay them the least you can get away with, so you maximize profits - because long ago, you raised money with the promise to the people you raised the money from that you would do this, and you have a Fiduciary obligation to do so...

Lots of companies do take no profit and pay out entirely to their employees, and there are some famous examples of that.
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