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Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by bluGill »

dheera wrote: post #8
richwater wrote: post #6

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That's a fantastic way to crater your cars resale value.

Why do Americans care so much about resale instead of just using the stuff you bought? If I ever buy a house it'll be to actually live life in it, not to nickel-and-dime some poor college student.

Because the better the resale, the nicer the car you can afford to replace it. Most new cars are kept for 3 years and traded in, (or leased) so the better the resale the more money to put into your next car. Or if you lease the less your lease will be.

Those who buy used cars keep their cars longer, and are willing to pay more for a car they think will last longer.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

>Imagine your daily commute is 115 km (e.g. Roeselare-Brussel) and you can’t charge at the office. Then you need 230km realistic daily range, and probably more like 300km. The only cars that come near that, are the Volvo EX90 or the BMW i7. Those are not cheap cars.

Realistic daily range is a bullshit phrase that assumes you will never have access to a fast charger. I understand realistic range, e.g. you can not go as far in cold, and daily range, e.g. you need to go 230km every day. I'm calling out how a combination of the two terms somehow excludes the ability to refuel when needed on that 230km commute. If you're going to be realistic, be realistic.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by limitedsupply »

pforret wrote: post #87
limitedsupply wrote: post #76

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I am aware of that. I charge my Tesla to about 50-70% as most of my infrequent trips are short. But I also don’t write articles complaining about low mileage.

This article was inspired by colleagues who are choosing their first EV and use the EPA range as an actual distance. I have colleagues that live > 100km from work. I wanted to point out that an EPA rating of 350km doesn't mean the car is a good match.

Good point. For daily long range commute EVs are not the best option right now. Even if you add some charge midway, it still takes 20–30 minutes, so not ideal.

(Saying that, if gas prices are a major concern then EVs could still be the preferred choice.)

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by jabart »

sam345 wrote: post #96

This just shows another reason EVs are unrealistic at least in rural USA. 200 km or 125 miles in cold weather. And that's for a Tesla a top of the line EV. Even if you live in the city most people want ability to travel long distances. I just reviewed consumer reports reviews of EVs. Not at all impressed. Overall ratings were very low for most cars. Charging is proprietary for the most part or slow or just in general…

If you are driving an hour both ways every day in a cold climate, yeah, EV probably isn't the right fit for another couple of years. It's also an extreme end of usage. I imagine that a large portion of those people in a rural community don't drive more than 60 miles a day. It is also why the average commute per a person is not 125 miles but substantially less in the US.

For reference, 125 miles is about Louisville, KY to Indianapolis, IN.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by dashundchen »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #65
replygirl wrote: post #43

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https://amp.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jun/03/car-tyre...

Interesting that driving style has such an outsized impact. Perhaps aggressive driving and tire composition should be regulated.

I think auto infrastructure should be designed around lower steady speeds with roundabouts and stop signs and lights, at least in the US. Right now we have high speed limits, wide roads which encourage speeding, but a lot of stop signs, long stop lights and driveway filled stroads that are terrible for everyone.

I'd like narrower lanes, bump outs raised intersections and crosswalks to slow traffic. Reduce curb cuts and driveways to cut down on conflicts - thinking Dutch style access streets and alleys that connect to the less interrupted travel lane.

The added benefit of lower speeds would make it safer for bikes and pedestrians and reduce auto crash fatalities.

Slower steady speeds would reduce stooa go, dropping noise and particulate emission from acceleration.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by cbsmith »

dahfizz wrote: post #100
amelius wrote: post #95

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And their increased weight makes them much harsher on roads than normal cars. They wear down roads faster, and I suppose they also produces more particle pollution than normal car for this reason.

Threads like this read like EVs are double or more the weight of an ICE car. EVs are a couple hundred pounds heavier in average than an equivalent ICE car. In terms of road wear, it's still a rounding error compared to industrial trucks.

"couple of pounds heavier"??!?! That's understating it.

Seriously, a Model 3 is ~500 lbs heavier than Honda Accord, and a Model Y is significantly heavier than a Model 3.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by limitedsupply »

hammock wrote: post #62
ceejayoz wrote: post #45

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EVs make substantially less of that, due to regenerative braking.

What portion of drivers use one pedal?

Are there EV drivers that do not? I don’t think I could ever go back to using 2 or 3 pedals.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by paulryanrogers »

xnx wrote: post #77
paulryanrogers wrote: post #65

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Interesting that driving style has such an outsized impact. Perhaps aggressive driving and tire composition should be regulated.

or tax tires

According to the linked article excluding some compounds would be lower hanging fruit. Though I agree tires could use a higher tax given how much of a problem they produce.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by gambiting »

bluGill wrote: post #98
gambiting wrote: post #72

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You don't need to have the one pedal driving enabled to reap the benefits. In all EVs and PHEVs you brake with the electric motors first even when using the actual pedal - normal brakes are engaged only past a certain threshold. Also to give a personal anecdote, in my Volvo XC60 PHEV, I've just had the inspection done and after 24k miles the brake pads are 5% worn. That's insane for a 2.2 tonne SUV with 400bhp. If it…

While EVs do use less brakes than ICE, they still should last a lot longer than you give them credit for. Of course it's depends on how you drive, but if you are not getting 100k miles out of your brakes the problem is not the car but the driver.

Sure. My last car was a Mercedes AMG that needed new pads every 8-10k miles, so I might be a bit biased. But TBF my car before that was a Land Rover Discovery 3 and that was eating pads like crazy despite not driving it aggressively at all - I attributed it to the weight of the vehicle.

Re: Realistic daily range of an electric vehicle

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Post by dahfizz »

cbsmith wrote: post #106
dahfizz wrote: post #100

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Threads like this read like EVs are double or more the weight of an ICE car. EVs are a couple hundred pounds heavier in average than an equivalent ICE car. In terms of road wear, it's still a rounding error compared to industrial trucks.

"couple of pounds heavier"??!?! That's understating it. Seriously, a Model 3 is ~500 lbs heavier than Honda Accord, and a Model Y is significantly heavier than a Model 3.

Typo, fixed. I could have sworn I typed "couple hundred pounds".

But to your point, a bmw 430 is also around 500 pounds heavier than a Honda Accord. Nobody sees a BMW and freaks out about tire wear. But people seem to hyperfixate on any small negative of EVs.

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