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‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

#101
I enjoyed reading this but I have a mixed opinion on it at the end.

The rules and reasoning seem weak. Rule #1 (be prepared) seems fine. Rule #2 (be respectful) Seems to blur the distinction between respecting the danger and respecting your impact on the environment. You should of course do the latter, but not because you will be less likely to get hurt. Rule #3 (trust the statistics) I don't know what they're trying to get at, if there were fewer than 8 deaths per 10 million visits that would imply that it's a safe activity. They completely incorrectly say that the majority of deaths are men aged 55-64, when in fact that's just the largest group (we assume, the original report treats gender and age separately, but only 19% of deaths are in that age group). Even the source page mislabels the graph for this one.

Overall I just would have rewritten or cut out the end. It was what I thought was an interesting discussion on human actions but then it turned into something prescriptive with weak reasoning.

The statistics the article draws from: https://www.psbr.law/nevada/deaths-in-us-national-parks/

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

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post #48

One time, I was driving at night in the Sierra after a storm - roads were covered in snow. It's a drive I've made close to 100 times without incident. Going around a bend, I saw a car in the ditch on the outside of the curve. I stopped the car, put on the hazards, and went to see if there was anyone in the car. As I was about to cross the highway a car come sliding around the bend more or less sideways. I stopped and…

It only takes 80ma across your heart to stop it. Mains voltage, in both the US and the rest of the world, can easily develop that kind of current, especially if there is moisture involved. And yet plenty of folks have accidental contact without lasting effects. Electricity is fickle that way. The difference between, no problem and totally dead can be subtle, random and not obvious. It all depends on the path the current takes. Show it respect.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

#103
post #48

One time, I was driving at night in the Sierra after a storm - roads were covered in snow. It's a drive I've made close to 100 times without incident. Going around a bend, I saw a car in the ditch on the outside of the curve. I stopped the car, put on the hazards, and went to see if there was anyone in the car. As I was about to cross the highway a car come sliding around the bend more or less sideways. I stopped and…

I worked the lowest paying job in a ski lodge one winter. One day while waiting in the cafeteria line, one hand on the stainless steel counter, I noticed that I got a bit of a shock from the steel railing on the other side.

There was also a stainless fryer on the counter, but insulated with plastic legs, so I did some experimenting by completing the circuit a few ways:

- Counter to rail: weak shock

- Counter to fryer: stronger shock

- Fryer to rail: nothing

I reasoned that the rail and fryer were both grounded, the fryer more so because the metal exterior was wired directly to the ground pin in a 3-prong electrical plug. The problem was the counter.

I was pretty stoked: as a lowly ski lodge porter / custodian I'd diagnosed an electrical fault in the cafeteria! Everyone working there was way above my pay grade, but I got the manager's attention and excitedly explained my three experiments. The manager looked annoyed, confirmed that touching the counter and fryer gave a shock, and then unplugged the fryer (thus removing the ground) and went on with the day. As far as I know the counter remained electrified for the rest of the season, or longer.

I'm amazed more people don't get electrocuted.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

#104
post #48

One time, I was driving at night in the Sierra after a storm - roads were covered in snow. It's a drive I've made close to 100 times without incident. Going around a bend, I saw a car in the ditch on the outside of the curve. I stopped the car, put on the hazards, and went to see if there was anyone in the car. As I was about to cross the highway a car come sliding around the bend more or less sideways. I stopped and…

Couple of thoughts: Probably just leaking voltage, so not a full circuit shock, that is my first guess. Also, even wet your skin has high-ish resistance. It also may have traveled on the outside of your body to ground, path of least resistance? I have been bit by 120 and 240. When it is a full load it hekkin hurts.

Does it matter whether the light was switched on? It seems like the path of least resistance in that scenario would be the other copper wire leading out of the light socket rather than the high resistance person connecting to ground.

I've had a similar experience, where (at the age of about 10) I touched an exposed 120v AC wire on a running water pump, while standing in a muddy field, and I only got a mild vibrating feeling from it.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

#105

Some tips on where to begin to learn more about nature and survive in the wild? Maybe an REI class? I'm a little embarrassed to admit that should I ever venture out into the wilderness, I would definitely not survive. I lack basic survival skills and nature would eat me alive. That being said, I always admired folks who could go camping for days (or weeks), who could cook up a warm (and edible) meal over a campfire.

The first thing to learn is to have respect for the harsh reality of the environment. You’d be surprised how many people get killed because they don’t (looking at you Christopher McCandless). So your awareness itself is already a good start.

Another cautionary tale is the one of the "Death Valley Germans" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Valley_Germans) - to me, this one is even more chilling...

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

#106
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What limits are those? The "I shouldn't have fallen off the monkey bars" lesson isn't applicable to the wilderness, is it? What's the carry over? "Broken arms hurt"? I don't think people are unaware of that. Also, what will break your arm at 10 is different than what will break your arm at 20.

Doing risky things in an environment where you can get help vs. an environment where you're on your own . There are good lessons to learn by taking physical risks in more controlled environments. Like learning not to take dangerous and/or unnecessary risks when you're on your own because you know you might get yourself into a situation where you depend on help.

Given this is a story about a woman who repeatedly nearly dies it doesn't seem like it helps.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

#107

I enjoyed reading this but I have a mixed opinion on it at the end. The rules and reasoning seem weak. Rule #1 (be prepared) seems fine. Rule #2 (be respectful) Seems to blur the distinction between respecting the danger and respecting your impact on the environment. You should of course do the latter, but not because you will be less likely to get hurt. Rule #3 (trust the statistics) I don't know what they're trying…

You’ve misread that part; the rules are offered tongue-in-cheek as a critique of false reassurance.

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

#108
post #48

One time, I was driving at night in the Sierra after a storm - roads were covered in snow. It's a drive I've made close to 100 times without incident. Going around a bend, I saw a car in the ditch on the outside of the curve. I stopped the car, put on the hazards, and went to see if there was anyone in the car. As I was about to cross the highway a car come sliding around the bend more or less sideways. I stopped and…

I've accidentally touched live electricity (230V) several times, and from speaking to other people it's not a rare occurrence. I think you actually need to be pretty unlucky to die from an electric shock at home.

During an ill-advised electrical experiment in my youth, I discharged a big capacitor into my hand. Luckily I think the current just went into and then out of my thumb back into the circuit. Still, the resulting shock knocked me over and gave me a tangible and valuable lesson about caution around high currents!

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

#109
post #54

Risk can be fun. I don't feel bad if someone gets hurt or killed doing an activity that is inherently dangerous. They died doing what they enjoyed and feeling alive. Don't feel bad for me if I go that way either.

Yes, risk can be fun.

But everyone I encountered in risk sports knew the difference between "smart crazy" vs "dumb crazy".

It is the difference between using knowledge, skill, technology, and mental focus to reduce risk to manageable levels, vs "getting away with it".

Getting away with it, riding on PDL — Pure Dumb Luck — can work for a long time. Until it doesn't, and you're dead. Like those YouTube idiots in the article. Getting away with it is just Russian Roulette with a different name and method.

Yet by using knowledge, skill, technology, and mental focus, people can live entire careers in situations that would reliably kill us in seconds, everythign from mountaineering, deep underwater, aviation, space, racecar driving, and more. Understand the risks, the skills to avoid them, the technology to minimize them, and pay attention, and you'll likely be rewarded with a lifetime of risky and rewarding adventures.

Read the books, take the lessons, get some good coaching and apprenticing, and don't cheap out on good gear (as they say, if you've got only a $10 head, then fine, get a $10 helmet, otherwise...). Also, listen to your body and the surroundings. If the conditions or your body is off, you don't have to TODAY climb that route, do that dive, whatever; you can do it or another one tomorrow.

It is no less joy to be wise about it!

Re: ‘That girl is going to get herself killed’ (2022)

#110

> laughing as we chanted it on the days when we took acid and went swimming. WTF, even without the additional "challenges" of Yellowstone Lake.. I neither would nor could imagine go swimming then :o

It seems to me that dropping acid and entering large bodies of water is not a good combination.
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