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Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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Reddit's weird setup where essentially random people who were first "own" entire categories (= subreddits) of discussion is totally absurd.

What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.

Namespaced subreddits

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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I think this may be overreach by the moderator but I basically agree with their points. This looks just like a midjourney output. It is a hodge podge of different cultural influences -- asian character, with green eyes, with grecoroman garb, and eye of sauron orbs floating around her. It would have once been technically impressive, and now is just a kind of culture diarrhea.

I have a passing familiarity with the webfiction "Beneath dragon eye moons", that this artwork was designed for. All of the things you are complaining about makes sense in the context of that writing.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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I would argue that “killer feature” killed its potential to be much bigger and more profitable than it is.

Killed it's potential? It's in the top 20 biggest sites in the world with no competitors anywhere near it.

It’s not nearly as big or profitable as the other social media companies, by a long shot. I think it has the potential to be though.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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How much bigger could it possibly be?

Reddit is one of the smaller social media sites at 430m yearly users. Yes absurd number but TikTok, FB, Instagram etc all have more.

The first result on google (not verified) says it's the fifth most visited website in the US. There is much more room upwards if you are honest.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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> An answer on SO is either helpful or not. Who cares how it was written? "Who cares if the diagnosis is done by a medical expert or someone pulling out random drugs they tried before? As long as I feel better immediately after taking them, who cares how they were prescribed?" The case on SO is clearly different, as ChatGPT might answer incorrectly or answer with something containing subtle bugs. There's also a good…

"ChatGPT might answer incorrectly or answer with something containing subtle bugs. There's also a good chance that you won't be immediately able to spot those bugs, as, if you were sufficiently knowledgeable in the topic yourself, you would have most likely not asked that question." Playing devil's advocate here, but this also clearly applies to human answers.

It's a matter of scale and frequency; people were posting significant amount of low-quality nonsense generated by ChatGPT. The average quality of ChatGPT was (is) significantly lower than the average human answer and there were thousands of those answers.

As a test I ran some questions through ChatGPT a few weeks ago; both popular ones and just some random ones from the homepage (including some not-very-good questions). In only one case would I say that it was "good enough" to post. All the rest ranged from "mostly correct but with huge omissions" to "used 5 paragraphs to explain what could be one or two sentences" to "this is not even remotely correct in any way, but at a glance it actually looks kinda correct". The "looks kinda correct" can be pretty misleading, because there have been a few answers where I went "wait, is this actually a thing? I didn't know about that!" and when investigating further it turned out it wasn't a thing at all and ChatGPT was just trolling me.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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And that's the argument I've been making. Once you can't tell the difference between AI-made art and human-made art, the demand for human-made art will dramatically decrease, especially in the commercial areas.

If it takes a human a month to paint something beautiful, and 1 minute for AI, it's really hard to compete with AI.

The best we have is Midjourney V4, and it's getting quite close.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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It is curious how different the sentiment is in this thread compared to the other thread currently on the front page regarding GitHub Copilot. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34274326

I think the big difference is that artists seem to freak out about AI because it will supposedly replace them, while programmers freak out because it's allegedly violating their copyrights. Obviously this is a generalization and not true in all cases, but those really are different concerns.

Artists are freaking out out of fear that AI will replace them (it has already begun doing so) and because their copyrights are being violated, and with a general disgust at the quality of the content.

Programmers are only freaking out about copyright because they naively believe AI can never automate them out of a job, whereas everyone else (artists included) deserves what's coming to them.

It's the same concern in both cases, but different interpretations of the stakes involved.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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I wonder if/how a hard limit on number of communities moderated would work? Make it so one person could only mod 2-3 subreddits. Unfortunately, this would require some work from Reddit the company to keep those same powermods from just making new accounts so probably won't happen.

They already have rules about making secondary accounts to evade bans, upvote yourself, etc. If anything it'd probably be easier to enforce a "no moderating a bunch of subreddits across multiple accounts" rule since it's mainly bigger subreddits that matter, and "mod teams of big subreddits" is a smaller group of people to monitor. And if there was really some big conspiracy to skirt around this system they'd have to…

It'd be logistically easier, I just doubt Reddit is going to put forth the money and staff time required to enforce it. Current enforcement is based on reporting, I believe, and don't reports go to mods first.

And they definitely will organize off site. Discord is huge for this. I also bet they would use VPNs since a lot of them have the barest hint of tech knowledge and a burning ideological conviction they're doing something important.

> hope no one ever defects and exposes the underground moderation ring.

Man, whoever had the balls or ovaries to do that would be immediately smeared and mobbed.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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What do you think would be a better model? I have a hard time imagining one. It doesn't seem all that different to me than whoever is first to claim a company name, a domain name, or when we go back further in time, land.

IRC Network administrators tend to enforce "official" names (owned by a particular group) vs "unofficial" names. For example, "#Ubuntu" is owned by the Ubuntu devs. While the unofficial ##Ubuntu is just fan owned. This already is a huge step forward compared to Reddit, where you aren't even sure which subreddits are owned by the corporation / official groups, or if they're "fan run". Are you sure /r/Ubuntu is a fan-r…

> IRC Network administrators tend to enforce "official" names (owned by a particular group) vs "unofficial" names. For example, "#Ubuntu" is owned by the Ubuntu devs. While the unofficial ##Ubuntu is just fan owned.

I didn't realize this was a thing outside of Libera, and maybe Freenode still. But then, I haven't been on other networks in quite some time.

Re: Artist banned, told to “find a different style”- AI-made art

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All digital artists need to do to prove that their art is not AI-generated is to record their screen and show a start to finish recording of themselves painting the digital image from scratch as proof.

This is not new and it is similar to speed painting, and all these prompters using Stable Diffusion cannot do such a thing.

Problem solved and job done.

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