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Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

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Post by candiodari »

not_kurt_godel wrote: post #55

There are many in tech whose jobs rely on selling personal information in ways that users would never consent to if they were made fully aware of what was being collected, how it was being collected, and how it was being used. I can't imagine it feels good to constantly deal with the cognitive dissonance required to participate in such schemes.

The problem is that this is a fake narrative. You're right, of course, I wouldn't approve of Facebook selling my contact list.

But compared to sharing of my private medical information within the government and to external private parties to enable government tax collection ... THAT I object to 100x more, but it never seems to make the news. I would like to see a blanket ban on government departments sharing ANY data beyond "this person exists", with exceptions approved on a case by case basis by congress plus heavy fines for government departments found in violating of these rules. Maybe even personal criminal liability for government employees actually doing the sharing if that's necessary to stop it.

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

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Post by dns_snek »

pbreit wrote: post #15

I cannot believe we are still in this ridiculous situation with these dreadful cookie approvals on Every. Single. Page. How did we let Europe do this to us?

I can't believe we're still in this ridiculous situation with these dreadful lung cancer warnings on cigarettes. How did we let government do this to us? ;)

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

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Post by oarsinsync »

charcircuit wrote: post #95
oarsinsync wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every site that has these pop ups is literally doing so because they’re tracking you. Staking you. Surveilling you. They might be doing it on behalf of a third party, but they’re still doing it.

>Stalking you The website is not following "you" around, nor is it intimidating you. "You" are the one visiting the website. >Survieling you The website does not have cameras on "you" or have people following "you" around. The website compiles information that "you" have given it. If Alice tells Bob her name and Bob remembers it, Bob is not surveilling Alice.

> The website compiles information that "you" have given it. If Alice tells Bob her name and Bob remembers it, Bob is not surveilling Alice.

Bob also remembers Alice's height, weight, eye colour, hair colour, hair length, skin pigmentation, any spots, piercings, shoe size, shoes, clothes, jewellery, any other accessories, smells, gait, and fingerprints.

Alice didn't intend to give Bob all this stuff, but it was all there for the taking, so Bob took it all. He took photos and videos and audio recordings of everything.

Bob then sold a copy of all of this information on to everyone who paid for it.

Bob does this to everyone that comes anywhere near his home. He also convinced a lot of his neighbours to install his equipment in their homes and businesses, so he captures all of this information about vast numbers of people, not just Alice.

Fuck Bob.

Charlie comes along and agrees, fuck Bob, and passes a rule to make Bob et al put up a sign saying they're doing all of this, and gain explicit consent for all of the unnecessary information they're 'compiling'.

So Bob does it in the most painful way possible, and now some people are mad at Charlie, because Charlie's the one who made the rule. Even though Bob 'compiles information that "you" have given it', and Bob's in malicious compliance of the rules.

Fuck Bob.

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

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Post by charcircuit »

oarsinsync wrote: post #103
charcircuit wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Stalking you The website is not following "you" around, nor is it intimidating you. "You" are the one visiting the website. >Survieling you The website does not have cameras on "you" or have people following "you" around. The website compiles information that "you" have given it. If Alice tells Bob her name and Bob remembers it, Bob is not surveilling Alice.

> The website compiles information that "you" have given it. If Alice tells Bob her name and Bob remembers it, Bob is not surveilling Alice. Bob also remembers Alice's height, weight, eye colour, hair colour, hair length, skin pigmentation, any spots, piercings, shoe size, shoes, clothes, jewellery, any other accessories, smells, gait, and fingerprints. Alice didn't intend to give Bob all this stuff, but it was all t…

Most people will think Bob did nothing wrong. This is how background checks work, how credit scores work, how history books work.

Re: Please Sell My Personal Information

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Post by drusepth »

dublinben wrote: post #96
drusepth wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Technically the complete list of things you have purchased is a record of interactions with your bank, but I think it's incredibly privacy violating for a bank to sell infomation about what products I buy. Isn't it in almost every bank's ToS that they are not only allowed to do this, but expected to do this? TBH, I wouldn't be surprised to hear about Intuit selling my financial data, either.

Banks in the US are required to provide a standardized privacy statement about what personal information they share, and whether you can limit it. There are meaningful differences between banks, so it's not at all true that "almost every bank" is as anti-consumer as possible. Some examples showing differences: https://www.td.com/content/dam/tdb/document/pdf/personal-ban... https://www.chase.com/digital/resources/priv…

Every single one of those links (sans the Apple Card) says they, by default, share your payment/transaction history, account balances, income, SSN, and other data with affiliates for the express purpose of enabling those affiliates and/or third parties to market to you.

I didn't say that almost every bank is "as anti-consumer as possible". I said that almost every bank is allowed and expected to do this by default, which they are.

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