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Re: Ask HN: How do you work on your mental health?

#104

My mental health problems are chronic, can get worse rapidly, and so far, nothing but escapism seems to fill me up in life, especially when I compare my life with that of others at my own age. I have given up on hope many times over, today I saw a self-text from 5 years ago of me questioning if I would ever make it, and so far, I have not. I have seen a psychologist for many years, a psychiatrist, and have asked peop…

Whatever else is going on in your life, try to get some daily exercise (even if it’s just walking). It won’t solve your problems but it will make them a tiny bit less heavy

Re: Ask HN: How do you work on your mental health?

#105

My mental health problems are chronic, can get worse rapidly, and so far, nothing but escapism seems to fill me up in life, especially when I compare my life with that of others at my own age. I have given up on hope many times over, today I saw a self-text from 5 years ago of me questioning if I would ever make it, and so far, I have not. I have seen a psychologist for many years, a psychiatrist, and have asked peop…

Whatever else is going on in your life, try to get some daily exercise (even if it’s just walking). It won’t solve your problems but it will make them a tiny bit less heavy

I've tried exercising many times, I always give up half-way. I remember reading obesity is pretty much endemic in people (and even if they do lose weight, they most probably than not regain it soon enough), so I have no hopes on that from either.

Re: Ask HN: How do you work on your mental health?

#106
To exercise, I got a personal coach (virtually, it was the height of the pandemic). She was actually pretty terrible at her job, and the reason I am telling you this is that it still helped tremendously.

Part of the reason I had procrastinated (despite being objectively unable to exercise myself) was the worry I would choose someone I had no chemistry with. Well, the “worst case scenario“ happened, and it was still totally worth it. I just moved on after a few weeks.

If you are not exercising right now, get a personal coach!

Re: Ask HN: How do you work on your mental health?

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post #40

I've struggled with depression and anxiety issues for most of my life. Two things have made a huge difference for me: Actually identifying with my body and taking care of me (it). That's the diet, sleep, exercise combo driven by a positive body image I identify with. The by far worst years of my life (so far) were when I clung to some kind of cyberpunky mind-body dualism and treated my body as a bag of meat whose onl…

Figuring I can be a bit more open since it's a throwaway account (edit - this kinda escalated)

I lost eighty pounds in a year with that body image "trick", but that's only half the story at best. That's what I desired, but it wouldn't have been enough motivation. And if you have a severe mismatch between your body image and your body that's not going to cause good vibes, will it?

So I don't know how depression manifests for others. For me it has usually taken the shape of a particular mean intonation in my inner monologue (I don't have or hear separate voices let alone characters, I'm not a schizo). When my depression gets worse, that part of my inner monologue gets more frequent and nasty, like incredibly nasty in ways I haven't ever even thought about being to anyone in my entire life, ever, not even close. I've literally never told anyone about this and tearing up a bit now. I'm kinda at a loss how to describe it. Calling it "mean spirited" would be the most British understatement in the last few ten-thousand years. When I had really bad days it felt like "it" just wanted to destroy me, like total annihilation until nothing was left and then discard (suicide) the empty husk. Thinking about this makes me wonder how I survived those days. I'd guess without binge-watching some series and binging some video games I might actually be dead now. Not such a waste of time after all, I suppose...

So uh I don't know how exactly I've done it. And even if I knew, I wouldn't tell because it's just such an obviously bad idea. I don't think it was a conscious choice, because even to a very depressed person it would've been obvious how insane doing that would be. But what I did was I weaponized that part of me, the depression, into helping me loose weight.

When I went hungry during a day or wanted to eat more, and obviously if you loose that much weight that quickly you're going to pretty often, ... I "let" that mean part speak up and be nasty and ugly and mean to me as much as "it" wanted to. People thought I was "soooo strong-willed" doing this but that's really not true. I just bullied myself into doing it. Every day. Sure... I had a positive idea that I wanted to achieve, but that wasn't how I got there. It's probably an incredibly bad idea to do it like this and a super easy way to end up with an eating disorder or more mental health issues, but at least depression was finally good for something. And it's way better now that I don't loathe and hate what I see in the mirror any more. I can look in a mirror now and say "you look fine today" to myself. And when I put nice clothes on, because I have some of those now, even with colors, I think I look good and I've even got a few compliments and guess how often that happened in the last decade before.

I didn't know that had to get out. But well. There you have it. Does "co-opting depression to rain fire and brimstone on yourself so you stop being fat so you stop being depressed so much" count as "working on your mental health"?

Re: Ask HN: How do you work on your mental health?

#108

First off, I would caution anyone about doing positive affirmations, or even forced journaling exercises (e.g. gratitude journaling). These exercises are incongruent with how one see's oneself; people who are already grateful or have health self-esteem don't need to do these exercises, and those don't have them and are trying to force it on themselves only see it as a lie (subconsciously). You can't really lie to you…

I respectfully but wholeheartedly disagree with your “caution” against gratitude journaling. Saying that people who are already grateful don’t need to do this is like saying that people who are already fit don’t need to exercise. People who aren’t fit can do exercise to get fitter, people who are already fit can do exercise to maintain that fitness. I think the same goes for being grateful and practicing gratitude.

Perhaps we have different anecdata, but I think gratitude journaling may work better indeed for people who aren't truly depressed. In my own case and the few coworkers I unfortunately recommended gratitude journaling to (who were, like me, quite depressed), it was basically a wrote exercise, in one ear and out the other. Forced journaling just becomes a chore like any other, and it is one in which people spend time "in their head", which is exactly the opposite of what people with depression need to do.

In my case (and in the cases of the aforementioned coworkers), a much more useful activity is to participate in some low-key social activity where people see and accept you. It is so much easier to "bask" in the very minute friendship affection shown by others than to try to think and affirm one's way out of depression by merely writing stuff down in a journal. Anything from rock climbing to amateur basketball to even stand up comedy (one extremely brave depressed friend of mine did this, not me! still scary...), one can take part in letting other people help regulate one's emotions; attempting to DIY this via affirmations and journaling for someone with chronic depression is not a fruitful endeavor.

Re: Ask HN: How do you work on your mental health?

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post #78

First, the physical: sleep well, eat well, practice sports Second, the surroundings: analyse your immediate surroundings, and what/who is causing stress. Toxic friends, too much alcohol, etc. Third: find a higher peace-bringing meaning. Wether it is a goal, or friendship/love, or even religion. Also: work on redundancy of your mental health. Have your 3 pillars of strength in a healthy state: work, belonging (love/fr…

Good advice, however I find myself quite struggling with the third point.

I recentyl turned fifty, with a decent career up to now: software engineer, sold a company I co-owned some time ago. My daughter spent years figthing cancer, so that was also a big part of my life in the last ten years.

Now things are better and I cannot seem to find decent interest in anything. I still love to code from time to time, but I am more in CTO or managing roles. I exercise on a regular basis, I eat quite well (vegetables a lot, fish, a little bit of meat, everything home made), I try to pursue some hobby like playing music, which I enjoy, but it is quite hard to find the time to do more than half an hour per day. I am also trying to take care of friendships as much as I can.

Despite all this I have a very hard time to find anything that motivates me, and I really wonder how I will go on in my professional life for another 10 years. Clearly I need some peace-bringing meaning, but it is very hard to find, and I do not even know how to start looking for it. So yes I think a meaning is paramount in a good mental health, but it is quite difficult to find!

Re: Ask HN: How do you work on your mental health?

#110
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My partner and I recently had our second child. The biggest difference we noticed is related to our better acceptance of that child’s needs. With the first one, we always tried to look for signs of autonomy, much too early. Everything is more peaceful when we accept to let go. I’m not fixing things in the house. Every thing I give up is a liberation. Being a father more or less makes up for the self image forced and…

Yes, I already am letting go of a lot (I can't, for example, remember the last time I got my car washed), but my partner continues to take on time-ful or effort-ful things that I consider "expendably unnecessary" (such as at least half of the cleaning/sanitizing she does- despite me emphasizing that the Hygiene Hypothesis is probably real) and is stressing both of us out anyway. My office is a mess that has needed cl…

We had a second fairly soon after but we were in our early-mid 30s. By 50 your natural energy levels are probably much lower already. It can be grueling but they get easier in my mind every day. At 4 years old my older kid is quite independent and funny. I can just ask her to play and have a snack and go to the bathroom while I clean my office or whatever. Daycare also means you will have actual alone time.

But it is best to accept that you are a parent first now. Not an introvert, engineer, whatever other nonsense you thought you were. You’ll have more time to yourself eventually but the first two years are tough!

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