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Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

COGlory wrote: post #66

I don't understand. The bill was passed with an overwhelming, veto-proof majority. Then it sat on the Governor's desk until she made changes (after intense lobbying)? But the NY legislature is not in session, but the bill is signed? So how were the changes approved by the legislature? What is the precise legal mechanism here? Is this legal? My initial impression is that this is an illegal act of tyranny and should be…

Really wish Zeldin wasn't an election denier. That's what made me vote for governor sellout.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by jamiek88 »

unnouinceput wrote: post #95
richbell wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying they should be ashamed... of not promoting it sooner? ;)

exactly

Has it occurred to you that perhaps this is just the first time YOU are seeing it and that the person you are being rude to isn’t a complete idiot?

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by jamiek88 »

unity1001 wrote: post #72
Buraksr wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My understanding is that it is more a consequence of politics than the system... Sure you have a veto proof majority on this bill, but what about what comes next? The governor is able to stop "tyranny of masses" by their veto power. Almost no bill in our partisan age is able to pass with a veto proof majority. So the governor has the ability to prevent good outcomes for specific members of their party in the legislat…

> "tyranny of masses" That's democracy. If you water down or prevent the democratic will through ANY means to empower the will of the minority over the majority for ANY reason, then you end up implementing the governance of an elite. Minority rights of the people are a different matter - they would be guaranteed by the civil law governing human rights in a country - they dont have anything to do with the democratic w…

No.

We live in representative democracies not absolute democracies and these table thumping maximalist positions rarely make good conversation or policy.

They get retweeted though.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by chrischen »

zeroCalories wrote: post #56

This is really sad. I don't follow politics, but I didn't think this level of blatant corruption really existed in the US.

Is this really corruption? I mean, it’s just how our politics works. It’s so blatant because it is how it works.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by silisili »

This is really sad. I used to watch Louis when he was coming up. I didn't even own an Apple device, I just liked how he'd treat customers and show all of us his approach, and how to do it, for free.

The corrupt government ruined him. It turned a beautiful young mind ready to change the world into a really bitter person. That's not a knock against him, but against the NYS Government. Glad he moved away, and hope he has more success in other districts.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by unity1001 »

jamiek88 wrote: post #103
unity1001 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "tyranny of masses" That's democracy. If you water down or prevent the democratic will through ANY means to empower the will of the minority over the majority for ANY reason, then you end up implementing the governance of an elite. Minority rights of the people are a different matter - they would be guaranteed by the civil law governing human rights in a country - they dont have anything to do with the democratic w…

No. We live in representative democracies not absolute democracies and these table thumping maximalist positions rarely make good conversation or policy. They get retweeted though.

> representative democracies / absolute democracies

The dichotomy above is impossible to interpret. What does that even mean. So when a democracy is representative, the minority's will can override the majority's will? Then what does the representation part in the representative democracy mean.

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Post by HWR_14 »

causi wrote: post #68
smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

They want to avoid the following situation. X% of the time a plane crashes and costs $Y. It costs $Z to cancel/delay a flight due to penalties and compensation. $Z > X% of $Y, therefore fly the unsafe flight. So they lower $Y in the case that it's a safety issue to save lives.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by russell_h »

causi wrote: post #68
smnrchrds wrote: post #44

I believe the analysis. Here in Canada, the government passed a law not that long ago (during the pandemic) to enshrine rights of passengers for delayed and cancelled flights, which included right to specific amounts of monetary compensation in those scenarios. The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. Lo and behold, the airlines have…

The law, however, had an exception, where no compensation is due if the flight is delayed or cancelled due to a safety issue. This makes no sense at all. If I order a pizza and it doesn't show up the reason it doesn't show up is completely irrelevant; they still owe me my money back.

I don’t know anything about Canadian travel law, but I assume there is no question that the airline must deliver the service you paid for.

It reads to me like this law was intended to provide additional compensation to passengers who are delayed. The EU has something similar.

Re: NY Sabotages Right to Repair Bill [video]

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Post by r_hoods_ghost »

college_physics wrote: post #96

Every such event reminds me of that celebrated fraud of an academic who argued that corporations exist to maximize profit within the applicable legal framework and that it is how things should be. The fact that corporate entities actively shape the legal framework to suit narrow interests that frequently undermine collective welfware somehow escaped him. When intellectual dishonesty and amoral behavior reach such sys…

Is this an academic who is celebrated and is a fraud or an academic who was defrauded. The second would be deliciously ironic. The first alas could describe entire economics sub fields
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