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Saying “sup” with `net send`

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Re: Saying “sup” with `net send`

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This brings back good memories from High School. Here's a bunch of things we used to do: 1. Set fun messages on all the HP Printers: https://www.irongeek.com/i.php?page=security/jetdirecthack 2. Bypass firewall restrictions by setting http:// to https:// (later had to resort to SSH tunneling using Putty). Got me banned from our library for a month when I was on Facebook and a teacher passed by. 3. Our student directo…

With regards to point 6. invert macos screen colors. What is the use case for this? and more importantly why bind it to a key combo? For example a left-right flipped screen could be needed in a rear projection setup, but I am at a loss for what you would use inverted colors for.

For reading at night it is a delight to invert colors.

Sadly on macOS 11+, Apple changed some color management so it became unusable together with the f.lux app because the warm colors become cold/blueish instead.

Unfortunately, dark mode is no proper replacement because it does not invert standard web pages.

Re: Saying “sup” with `net send`

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Congrats on topping HN with your blog's first post, lol. This is something I actually worry about future generations missing. My core love of computers came from being able to tamper with them. Being able to poke around in the operating system, figure out how to do neat things, etc. Today, students are given either an iPad or a Chromebook, and generally locked into using some horrific privacy nightmare like Gmail, an…

We still found ways to have fun.

The Chromebook model issued to students at my middle school powered off when a magnet was placed over the top right corner. After this was first discovered, it because common practice to carry a small magnet around and turn off people's machines when they weren't looking. If you wanted to be subtle, you could use the corner of another Chromebook to pull off the same trick.

Chromebooks use (G)-mail sign-in, and the school generated us all accounts that had the format

e-mail: @schoolname.com

password:

I figured this out a few weeks in, and we had great fun logging into each other's account and sending ourselves incriminating e-mails. Admin figured out after a while and for all successive school years we had random phrases.

All machines had a remote-viewing/tab managing utility installed so that teachers could surveil us as we did our work. Many ``bypasses" came and went over the years, by my favorite was simply abusing Chrome's ability to play flash .swfs and disconnecting from the internet. Once that got out teachers often forced me to sit next to/facing them as I worked.

Another was that only ``real tabs" showed up on the admin viewer -- `New Tab's and similar Chrome-isms would just be a blank screen. You could abuse this by opening Inspect Element on a new tab and writing in an iframe for the website of your choice.

Web filters were often bypassed using interactive browser compatibility testers like Browserstack and Browserling[0]. Not terribly interesting, but it worked just fine for our purposes.

Later, in high school, I wrote a script that autoran on a single machine's local storage no matter who logged on, copying itself to the shared storage. Next, when that user logged on to a different machine, it copied itself back to local. It didn't do anything flashy or obvious, so by the time I graduated, I had a calling card on maybe 75% of the machines in the school. I also aggressively portscanned the whole district, and found some IP cams and Cisco phones that had open (And seemingly unpatched) RCE CVEs. I never got around to doing anything with them, and my only regret is that I didn't pass the knowledge along to someone else before graduating.

[0] https://www.browserling.com/browse/win/7/firefox/104/http%3A...

Re: Saying “sup” with `net send`

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I was worried for them, glad it worked out. I wouldn't be so sure about this statement: "now that I’m a grownup I know that [...] we wouldn’t have gotten in very much trouble anyway." Unfortunately this was the type of thing that would get students banned from the computers, or only allowed to actually use the computers on Friday to do their computer science work (like my friend Dave). Speaking of NET SEND specifical…

This is such a typical story of American computing. They treated computer skills as literal witchcraft. It just makes boomers come off as more inept and bald (which is their culture, and seen as a positive amongst their peers) when they say to a 13 year old, "oh you bad student, you clicked an ad knowing it is malware, which installed a virus and penetrated our network, you goblin spawn!". The corollary where the NSA hires the "evil hacker genius" is the cringiest part.

Re: Saying “sup” with `net send`

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Hah, never understood what that net send stuff was about. This is a typical example of rubber stamp semantics. You ask for an OS that can do basic stuff then comes with a bunch of obscure facilities that you don't know are security problems (in this case relatively harmless DoS but I'm sure I remember RCE vulns related to that subsystem) unless you are 0.001% of the population.

Re: Saying “sup” with `net send`

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In the time before CI servers, when I ran a lab of 'doze boxen, I'd use "net send" to alert the consoles we had for admins whenever there was an error a human needed to pay attention to. We'd decided that playing noises was too annoying. And because the test slav^H^H^H^Hagents were all on KVMs, it wasn't likely we'd see the screens of the ailing machines.

Once it was determined that "net send" was a security problem, thus forbidden, we found ways of alerting involving less spit and bailing wire. And fun.

Re: Saying “sup” with `net send`

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I'll add to the chorus of people fondly remembering net send from their school days.

I seem to remember there was an option you could pass to override the sender's name so you could anonymize yourself and have the messages come from JESUS or MY BUM or something equally hilarious. You could even set it to the genuine ID of a nearby computer and watch the chaos unfold once the IT guy came running in.

I like to imagine there was some twinkly-eyed old trickster at Microsoft who saw to it that net send came enabled by default.

There was also a program that let you enable any disabled button in Windows by clicking on it. Turns out a lot of the security was only implemented at the GUI toolkit level.

There was something magical about those insecure school networks. It was amazing to watch how it affected the teachers, when you pulled some minor prank. They would flip out, not because you did anything particularly dangerous, but I guess just at the loss of control.

Good times.

Re: Saying “sup” with `net send`

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Heh. If you used the underlying windows api calls, you could spoof the sender. Something I discovered when I did just that, in the Windows 2000 days. Combine it with a for loop and you could generously message everyone on the LAN with little effort. There's a reason why everyone around me turned off the net service after a while...

One of my friends figured that out a few days after someone sent a net send message to * (they got away with that one by logging in as another user who wasn't in the room before the IT staff VNCed into the machine to see who it was). We ended up getting messages from "GOD" for a while before net set was disabled entirely. One of the teachers knew about this, and his only comment was "if you're going to mess around with this, don't get caught".

A group of people did get caught messing around with the network a while later, but only after they'd privesced their way to a domain admin account, then screwed up with a script that reset a bunch of local admin passwords rather just the one they wanted. Somehow, the existence of a new domain admin account didn't get spotted for weeks before that.

Re: Saying “sup” with `net send`

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Congrats on topping HN with your blog's first post, lol. This is something I actually worry about future generations missing. My core love of computers came from being able to tamper with them. Being able to poke around in the operating system, figure out how to do neat things, etc. Today, students are given either an iPad or a Chromebook, and generally locked into using some horrific privacy nightmare like Gmail, an…

We still found ways to have fun. The Chromebook model issued to students at my middle school powered off when a magnet was placed over the top right corner. After this was first discovered, it because common practice to carry a small magnet around and turn off people's machines when they weren't looking. If you wanted to be subtle, you could use the corner of another Chromebook to pull off the same trick. Chromebooks…

I tip my hat to you. Glad to see this spirit is still alive.
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